Annual Trade Iggy thread

[minnow]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Part of me thinks that the best thing that we can do for Iggy is trade him somewhere else and give him not only a chance at a cup. but to get him away from this fan base and this media before they completely turn on him, and that's coming and its coming fast.

Either you can die as the hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain

I've been thinking something like that too. First the public has to be made aware of the problem that is Iginla, (they only think of him as a nice guy, captain, best player, etc) so start the whole process with a few timely detracting articles. Just to prepare everyone of course.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by moon

It was a toss up that year and one guy (outside of maybe Lebron) is not building a championship team.

He was GM for one year and the team went to the finals 3 years after he left. He didn't build the finals team.

He also acquired Hedo Turkoglu and Jameer Nelson 2 very key cogs to that magic team. He traded career loser Tracy McGrady and put the foundation of that Magic team in place. You could say he was to the Magic as Burke/Nonis was to the Canucks in terms of getting the key pieces on an elite team in place

[cznTiburon]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Part of me thinks that the best thing that we can do for Iggy is trade him somewhere else and give him not only a chance at a cup. but to get him away from this fan base and this media before they completely turn on him, and that's coming and its coming fast.

Either you can die as the hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain

I agree with this entirely... I feel as If this is the first year we are seeing the fan base start to come to the realization it may be in our interests to trade him... As they talked about him on 960 today it's tough those how he fits. This team isn't successful right now, we can't rely on iginla to save us as he has become a perimeter player. Love the guy, and if he leaves I would love to see him comeback to retire but if he isnt having success defensively and he isn't putting the puck In the net on a regular basis why would we keep ,him?

I think if he were to leave he would find his groove again but the flames keep on spinning the same leadership core and it is not successful. Before he starts to take the blame lets try something new

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by minnow

Not the messenger, only the weasel. It's just my opinion.

Ok, but why?

They whole quiet in the room thing has already been widely public, but the comments about his lack of foot speed and overall fire? You know full well those comments are pretty close to reality. It wasn't inside info or stuff that shouldn't get out. It is direct observation and opinion.

Also why the hate for comments on a former teammate.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by $ven27

I wouldn't be opposed to having Weisbrod as the GM and Jay as the assistant GM though.

What exactly would be the point of this?

[Southside]

The general population, casual fan also needs to be reminded that Jarome became a Flame when we traded away another pretty popular Hall of Famer in Joe Nieuwendyk to acquire Jarome. Worked out pretty well for the Flames.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I agree I honestly like what Feaster has done for the most part with the mandate given and the mess he inherited. He also has said numerous times that he is not going to be the GM that rebuilds this team.

If he is not the guy does that mean Iginla gets traded for 2 25 year olds instead of a rebuilding package?

I don't know I have been fooled every year to think this team is better than it actually is. We are now at the point where Iggy, and Kipper are getting quite old and they are still the main keys to the Flames being a playoff team.

I have heard Edwards does not want to suffer through 7 years of bad hockey like the Flames of 96-03. I am starting to get worried that Oilers fans were right and we are starting to trend the way they did in 06/07. Try hard for 2-3 years to make playoffs and fail then be forced to go through a very painful rebuilding process.

Circumstances have forced his hand. He probably didn't want to trade him. He probably still doesn't. Nonetheless, trading the captain is the most responsible thing he can do for the future of this franchise.

The Calgary Flames are supposed to compete for the Stanley Cup. That is the goal. The goal is not to assist Jarome Iginla with the accumulation of personal stats and get him into the Hall of Fame.

Feaster isn't going to quit over this. He quit his last job because ownership forced him to sign Lecavalier to an insane contract, but I doubt very much he walks away over the decision to trade a 35 year old pending UFA winger. Even one as important as Jarome Iginla.

[minnow]

[QUOTE=CaramonLS;4072204]Ok, but why?

They whole quiet in the room thing has already been widely public, but the comments about his lack of foot speed and overall fire? You know full well those comments are pretty close to reality. It wasn't inside info or stuff that shouldn't get out. It is direct observation and opinion.

Also why the hate for comments on a former teammate.[/QUOTE

He's entitled to his opinion, I just don't understand the timing or purpose of this very derogatory article. Is there some long standing hidden envy that has prompted it? Is this what a former team member, buddy, friend, whatever would do? Or is he reveling in glee over what he perceives to be Iginla's decline? It just smells mean and nasty and oddly timed.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Southside

The general population, casual fan also needs to be reminded that Jarome became a Flame when we traded away another pretty popular Hall of Famer in Joe Nieuwendyk to acquire Jarome. Worked out pretty well for the Flames.

Do you claim to know what the 'general population, casual fan' thinks?

Do you feel that your opinion is more valid than the opinion of this group that you have defined?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

I think that would only happen with exceptionally bad management, the calibre of which only the Oil have had since their cup run. there are enough examples of teams bottoming out for 1 or 2 years at most (Boston, Philly, Chicago, LA) to prove a rebuild doesn't have to be a 5+ season long exercise in frustration.

Because the plan's always been around Iggy/Kipper here, once they're gone only then can we evaluate how good our scouting, drafting and GMing is. Feaster might still screw it up bad, but I'm willing to let him have a crack at it.

We're already at four seasons of suckage. If we bottom out after Iginla and Kipper are gone, then seven seasons out of the playoffs is likely. It might even be optimistic.

[Southside]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Do you claim to know what the 'general population, casual fan' thinks?

Do you feel that your opinion is more valid than the opinion of this group that you have defined?

What was my opinion exactly?

The casual fan see Jarome as what he was, not what he is.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by minnow

He's entitled to his opinion, I just don't understand the timing or purpose of this very derogatory article. Is there some long standing hidden envy that has prompted it? Is this what a former team member, buddy, friend, whatever would do? Or is he reveling in glee over what he perceives to be Iginla's decline? It just smells mean and nasty and oddly timed.

Maybe he's just doing his job, which is to offer candid insight into NHL players. He certainly knows more about what makes Iginla and the Flames locker room tick than any fans do. If he was worried about hurting feelings, he wouldn't be very good at his job.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Southside

What was my opinion exactly?

The casual fan see Jarome as what he was, not what he is.

Again, why do you feel that you know what the casual fan thinks?

[minnow]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Maybe he's just doing his job, which is to offer candid insight into NHL players. He certainly knows more about what makes Iginla and the Flames locker room tick than any fans do. If he was worried about hurting feelings, he wouldn't be very good at his job.

Maybe, but if he keeps putting out such derogatory articles, he won't be buddies with many for long. I still think it's the beginning of the campaign, Iggy's fate has been decided, and they're preparing the way.

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

We're already at four seasons of suckage. If we bottom out after Iginla and Kipper are gone, then seven seasons out of the playoffs is likely. It might even be optimistic.

Yeah, obviously the past few seasons haven't been any sort of rebuild, so I didn't count those. When Enoch pointed out how long it took LA and Chi were out of it, they similarly had several years of stumbling aimlessly before finally landing a top 3 pick and climbing back up.

So if it blows up this year and we're in the McKinnon sweepstakes, it shouldn't be another 7 years on top of that before respectability, if it's done right. The oil are well into year 3 or 4 of their rebuild and not anywhere close to Chi or LA at the same point in time, which is why they're going to waste the cheapest years of their star players careers without a shot at the cup.

[Southside]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Again, why do you feel that you know what the casual fan thinks?

Please. There are plenty of them around, or live with 2.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Southside

The general population, casual fan also needs to be reminded that Jarome became a Flame when we traded away another pretty popular Hall of Famer in Joe Nieuwendyk to acquire Jarome. Worked out pretty well for the Flames.

And if Iginla was 29 and coming off of back to back seasons over a ppg I might expect that kind of return for him. In reality he is 35 now so his next contract will be over the mark that a team will be stuck with regardless of injury or retirement. He is slowed down and isn't the aggressive powerforward to carry a team anymore.

That's not to say he doesn't have value, I think he is still going to score 20 goals this year and win a couple games on his back, but he is not in the catagory Nieuwy was, and will get a late 1st and maybe a mid-good prospect. He won't be getting a blue chip Iginla prospect either (and yes I know he wasn't the Flames first choice from Dallas but he was still one of the best propects out there.

[Vinny01]

The absolute perfect time to trade Iggy was 10/11 when Brayden Schenn ++ could have been had. At that point we knew the Flames were on the downside and who knows maybe he would have signed with us this summer at 36 with plenty of good years left?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by minnow

I don't know, but he reeks of weasel.

Really? It's not like anything he said was groundbreaking stuff. A good portion of this board are likely weasels in your mind as well for stating the same stuff Warrener did over the last year.

Was Mike Pecca a weasel for telling the truth about Bouwmeester? Sometimes fans don't like to hear the truth when it comes to players of the team they cheer for but criticism comes with being a professional athlete. Warrener who is now part of the media is doing his job being frank and it's honestly refreshing in the universe of boring, vanilla NHL personalities to speak your mind. If Iginla was in the NBA ex-teammates like Barkley would be on ESPN calling him washed up. Don't like the scrutiny then don't accept the $7 million cheque.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by minnow

He's entitled to his opinion, I just don't understand the timing or purpose of this very derogatory article. Is there some long standing hidden envy that has prompted it? Is this what a former team member, buddy, friend, whatever would do? Or is he reveling in glee over what he perceives to be Iginla's decline? It just smells mean and nasty and oddly timed.

You obviously just read the article in the paper and have never tuned into listen to Warrener on the air. He's been candid about Keenan as well as other players over the years. He destroyed local boy Heatley this week. He's not being nasty he's just speaking his opinion on what he sees on the ice and that's what Rogers pays him for. I didn't sense any tone of glee on the radio but don't let that stop you from jumping to major conclusions on a man you obviously know little about.