[PGT] Flames lose 2-1 in shootout

[Dion]

Moon and CO need to get a room

[vektor]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

There's a difference between being constructive with criticism and simply shooting the team down at every given chance and returning to gloat about it in post game threads. I never said the team doesn't deserve criticism.

I think you mistake extreme frustration with gloating. Let's face it, anyone on this forum posting day after day is a legitimate fan; happy, constructive, angry or negative. If you are here discussing hockey day after day it's because you want this team to win, in that we are all the same. In my mind I analyze the trends and see us lucky to not be last in the league, but like all of us I can never cheer for us to lose.

Sometimes frustration comes out in different forms, the only time I think anyone is open to criticism here is when they cross the line and start telling people what they can say or making it personal.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

There's a difference between being constructive with criticism and simply shooting the team down at every given chance and returning to gloat about it in post game threads. I never said the team doesn't deserve criticism.

That's not what is happening. You accused several people of having reading comprehension issues, maybe you should consider your own.

[Savvy27]

Originally Posted by vektor

^ you realize there's a difference between negativity and proactive thinking/objective analysis and prediction of outcomes based on statistical trends right? The holier than thou posters are getting tiresome, you can just not say anything because unlike the people trying to see what's wrong with the team you have to criticize us for doing so, if anyone has a problem here it's you.

What is the difference? Are you saying that there are two types of posters, one who is relentlessly negative while the other group is objective and the team just happens to be lousy? Or are you saying that there are NO relentlessly negative posters who show up in every pre-game thread and predict a loss, then show up in the post-game threads when the team loses to point out how bad they are and then mysteriously remain absent when the team wins?

I'm genuinely curious because it seems obvious to me that there do exist posters who are constantly negative and make the board miserable for anybody who wants to be optimistic.

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by zamler

That's not what is happening.

That's your opinion. I have mine. Really fail to see why you're still going on about it.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

There's a difference between being constructive with criticism and simply shooting the team down at every given chance and returning to gloat about it in post game threads. I never said the team doesn't deserve criticism.

Who is gloating? Show me the gloating posts?

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

So the first five games of the season where many of the players hadn't played together before is the measuring stick for the rest of the season... to the point where those players I mentioned aren't going to make a difference?

Give it a rest Moon.

Who said it was a measuring stick? Just pointing out that when healthy this team wasn't exactly racking up the points.

Originally Posted by Dion

Moon and CO need to get a room

He has been responding to vektor and eddy just as much if not more than me.

Odd comment.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

oh god. Robert just called into Overtime.

lol!

I hope he offers to take King and Feaster on a sex fantasy trip in vegas again

[moon]

Originally Posted by Savvy27

What is the difference? Are you saying that there are two types of posters, one who is relentlessly negative while the other group is objective and the team just happens to be lousy? Or are you saying that there are NO relentlessly negative posters who show up in every pre-game thread and predict a loss, then show up in the post-game threads when the team loses to point out how bad they are and then mysteriously remain absent when the team wins?

I'm genuinely curious because it seems obvious to me that there do exist posters who are constantly negative and make the board miserable for anybody who wants to be optimistic.

I would love to see examples of this because for the most part I see a lot of whining from posters about how this goes on and then whining about nobody showing up after wins but never see a lot of evidence of it at all.

If anything the "optimistic" posters do their best to make sure nobody criticizes the team at all with their over the top posts.

[ComixZone]

.Irving has been better than Kipper has this season.

[vektor]

Originally Posted by Savvy27

What is the difference? Are you saying that there are two types of posters, one who is relentlessly negative while the other group is objective and the team just happens to be lousy? Or are you saying that there are NO relentlessly negative posters who show up in every pre-game thread and predict a loss, then show up in the post-game threads when the team loses to point out how bad they are and then mysteriously remain absent when the team wins?

I'm genuinely curious because it seems obvious to me that there do exist posters who are constantly negative and make the board miserable for anybody who wants to be optimistic.

I think those posters exist, sure, but they are in the minority. For those of us who want this team to win but see the flaws for what they are, the holier than thou attitude is really annoying because you lump us into that polarized view.

I mean we're 26th in the league, of course there is going to be a significant amount of criticism. We are one of the teams in the league that spends nearly to the cap every year and we're almost last, criticism is going to arise. To be honest I don't really see a lot of the gloating anyways, who would come here to gloat about our team sucking anyways? If anyone is doing that they have issues.

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by moon

Who said it was a measuring stick? Just pointing out that when healthy this team wasn't exactly racking up the points.
Odd comment.

Allow me to clear up the point I was making: The first five games of the season are not a good measuring stick. So when we get some bodies back it should make a considerable difference over the roster we iced tonight.

Originally Posted by moon

Who is gloating? Show me the gloating posts?

Several posters come across that way to me in just about every post game thread over the last couple years. I'm not interested enough in what you think to dig up examples. I stated that's how it comes across to me.

[vektor]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

I stated that's how it comes across to me.

have you considered the possibility that you may be wrong?

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by vektor

have you considered the possibility that you may be wrong?

I considered it, and then thought not. I arrived at the opinion that I'm going to stick with my opinion because it's my opinion.

[EddyBeers]

Wow, this guy on Overtime better not come on here, he is a self-identified fan who says that the Flames are losers, that they are lousy, that they are pathetic, that they have been losers with Iginla and Kipper and that they are nowhere near being an elite team. He sounds like the ultimate anti-fan......he ended the call by saying that the Flames have not been successful and will not be successful. Not sure how he can even identify himself as a fan.

[Dion]

Could we please take the petty bickering to PM?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

Wow, this guy on Overtime better not come on here, he is a self-identified fan who says that the Flames are losers, that they are lousy, that they are pathetic, that they have been losers with Iginla and Kipper and that they are nowhere near being an elite team. He sounds like the ultimate anti-fan......

he sounded like someone who cares

[Dion]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

Wow, this guy on Overtime better not come on here, he is a self-identified fan who says that the Flames are losers, that they are lousy, that they are pathetic, that they have been losers with Iginla and Kipper and that they are nowhere near being an elite team. He sounds like the ultimate anti-fan......

If it was Kerr doing overtime he would have cut the caller off. Stienberg is too nice and polite to the callers.

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by Dion

If it was Kerr doing overtime he would have cut the caller off. Stienberg is too nice and polite to the callers.

Ya, probably better to only have callers who think we are great

[LiquidX]

Originally Posted by vektor

^ you realize there's a difference between negativity and proactive thinking/objective analysis and prediction of outcomes based on statistical trends right? The holier than thou posters are getting tiresome, you can just not say anything because unlike the people trying to see what's wrong with the team you have to criticize us for doing so, if anyone has a problem here it's you.

if our team has the most games missed due to injury twice in 2 seasons one would have to conclude that it's indicative of a deeper problem with the team. We statistically have the fewest hits and the fewest penalties of any team this year. Statistically our injury woes lend credence to the fact that we may not be tough enough.

irony isn't your strong suit is it? I ask because that's a pretty damn pretentious post.

We know what's wrong with the team. We've known what's been wrong with the team for 6+ years. Your "proactive thinking/objective analysis" as you put it is nothing new. Stop waving your amateur nhl analyst banner for a minute and go read the forum for the last several years. There are gaping holes in this roster that have been there for the better part of a decade - and management hasn't been able to fill them.

Toughness isn't the issue here. Plenty of teams have been able to win without toughness. The problem is heart, and frankly, I haven't seen a gutsy performance from this team in a very long time. This team needs a spark to rekindle the fire in their bellies. In years past, that would have been an embarrassing loss to a conference rival, but they've been playing for 8th for so long, they don't seem to care anymore.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

Wow, this guy on Overtime better not come on here, he is a self-identified fan who says that the Flames are losers, that they are lousy, that they are pathetic, that they have been losers with Iginla and Kipper and that they are nowhere near being an elite team. He sounds like the ultimate anti-fan......he ended the call by saying that the Flames have not been successful and will not be successful. Not sure how he can even identify himself as a fan.

Cant really dispute any of that honestly. Unless you mean he is saying they are losers Because of Kip and Iggy.