Annual Trade Iggy thread

[Badgers Nose]

Iggy is not worth trading. At this point the net return will be so bad that the team will stink and be anonymous.

IMO Flames would be like CBJ without Nash.

[Trailer Fire]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Iggy is not worth trading. At this point the net return will be so bad that the team will stink and be anonymous.

IMO Flames would be like CBJ without Nash.

CBJ is in prime position this year to make a big bounce back. 3 first round draft picks. Nash got Dubinsky, Anisimov and Erixon. And a 1st rounder. Dump on and hate Tom Erixon all you want, he is going to be a solid blue liner for years to come. He first is likely going to be a mid to late 1st, but in this draft that isn't a bad thing.

If Calgary got a solid top 6 forward, a blue chip prospect and a 1st I'd dance for days. That's what we need. We need to move some larger pieces for young assets and futures.

That is, unless, we are definitively in the mix come deadline day.

[afc wimbledon]

This thread is about three years to late.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Iggy is not worth trading. At this point the net return will be so bad that the team will stink and be anonymous.

IMO Flames would be like CBJ without Nash.

I understand that posters don't want a scorched earth rebuild, but i have never thought just trading Iggy was "scorched earth". Iginla is already on the decline. If we traded him now the flames would probably get a young 2nd line player and a 1st. In 2 years the young 2nd line player will probably be better than Iggy would be by then. In 2 years Iggy will probably be a full time 2nd line player that will be slightly slower and even more one dimensional. Add to it that the 1st might be something down the line worth keeping or trading, they will be better off.

All that said i would really want the flames to trade Iggy for a blue chip center prospect. I am not sure if they could get that for Iggy straight up. I would have no problem with the flames adding to the trade to make it happen. Iggy+3rd or prospect (Horak) to get a player like Schenn. Does not have to be Schenn but some blue chip prospect like him.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Locke

Watching last night, this team has really gotten used to losing. They've accepted it and they know that their goal is 8th place.

I believe Iggy is content. He's a family oriented man and I have zero issues with that but it's clear that winning a cup isn't a priority for him as it is playing close to home, playing 82 games and spending the offseason with his family. He never goes out of his way to play for his country outside of the olympics and while that's his right it's not exactly telling of a player that loves the sport and winning championships wether they be the Worlds or a Stanley Cup. I simply think he doesn't have the fire anymore and that's a problem when your captain is the first guy looking to bolt to his family for the offseason.

I love what Iginla has done for this franchise but I'm a Flames fan and I believe that the team needs a new captain and new locker room leadership. I would like to see Iginla traded at the deadline and sign with another team in the offseason. It's time for both parties to move in different directions.

[Roof-Daddy]

One thing about the possibility of trading Iginla, is this year pretty much every contender is going to have more than enough cap space to add Jarome without having to send salary back.

San Jose, Chicago, Boston, Pittsburgh, NY Rangers....you name it, all can take on a minimum of $13 million AAV at the deadline without moving any salary back in the trade.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I believe Iggy is content. He's a family oriented man and I have zero issues with that but it's clear that winning a cup isn't a priority for him as it is playing close to home, playing 82 games and spending the offseason with his family. He never goes out of his way to play for his country outside of the olympics and while that's his right it's not exactly telling of a player that loves the sport and winning championships wether they be the Worlds or a Stanley Cup. I simply think he doesn't have the fire anymore and that's a problem when your captain is the first guy looking to bolt to his family for the offseason.

I love what Iginla has done for this franchise but I'm a Flames fan and I believe that the team needs a new captain and new locker room leadership. I would like to see Iginla traded at the deadline and sign with another team in the offseason. It's time for both parties to move in different directions.

Goodness man. Faulting a guy for wanting to spend time with his family rather than suit up for a second tier event with a hodge podge of playoff outsiders?

Second tier international events are for younger guys looking to get international experience, maybe audition for Olympics, etc. Iginla has won the Hart and 2 Olympic golds. Let him have standards.

The guy can work hard when it matters and enjoy time off. You can find a better way to bitch about Iginla, that was weak.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I believe Iggy is content. He's a family oriented man and I have zero issues with that but it's clear that winning a cup isn't a priority for him as it is playing close to home, playing 82 games and spending the offseason with his family. He never goes out of his way to play for his country outside of the olympics and while that's his right it's not exactly telling of a player that loves the sport and winning championships wether they be the Worlds or a Stanley Cup. I simply think he doesn't have the fire anymore and that's a problem when your captain is the first guy looking to bolt to his family for the offseason.

I love what Iginla has done for this franchise but I'm a Flames fan and I believe that the team needs a new captain and new locker room leadership. I would like to see Iginla traded at the deadline and sign with another team in the offseason. It's time for both parties to move in different directions.

Sorry i don't buy the "Iggy is content" argument. If he was so content and did not care about winning a cup, he would have already re-signed with the flames. I would go as far to say, that they would have talked about a deal the minute last season was over, and on July 1st Iggy being resigned would have been the first announcement made before the first signing by any team.

The only reason Iggy has not resigned with the flames is because he is thinking about leaving the flames for a chance to win the cup.

[Username: Flames]

I still find it weird that Iginla is considered old, now. Only because 2004 still feels like yesterday, to me. I can't believe that was almost NINE years ago! That guy used to be absolutely unstoppable.... He willed his way to the net. No one could stop him. That shorthanded goal against SJ will forever be burned in my memory. Fighting Ohlund and showing up lecavalier, even holding his own against Hatcher. Man, do I miss that.....

But now, when I think about it, he's not that 27 year old raging bull anymore. He's turning 36....Iginla is definitely not the same player as he was then. Age catches up to everyone. His days of being a top 5, even top 10 player in this league are over.

The problem is that it's only been Iginla. I can't think of any championship team that only had one star player (that wasn't a cinderella team.) That man has carried this team on his back for over a decade. I see this year, not as Iginla's last chance to win with the Flames, but as the Flames last chance to win with Iginla. I hope the organization feels the same.

IMO, if they're out of the dance come deadline day, the Flames should do themselves and Iginla a favour and trade him to a Contender. The guy is all class and deserves a championship. If he can't do it here, let him do it somewhere else.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Just trade Iginla so that Walken, Beers, and Estrada can get some new material.

Edit - And Phanuthier.

[Caged Great]

The only way I trade Iginla is if he does not have a contract extension by April 3rd. I don't like Iginla particularly based on how he plays, but he is a valuable piece to a team. Losing him for nothing is not acceptable. If he gives indications that he is going to test UFA then it becomes imperative that we get something instead of holding on to him just because and losing him for nothing.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Sorry i don't buy the "Iggy is content" argument. If he was so content and did not care about winning a cup, he would have already re-signed with the flames. I would go as far to say, that they would have talked about a deal the minute last season was over, and on July 1st Iggy being resigned would have been the first announcement made before the first signing by any team.

The only reason Iggy has not resigned with the flames is because he is thinking about leaving the flames for a chance to win the cup.

Iginla has never been an easy signing and was a holdout twice. He negotiates hard every time, so I wouldn't take the fact that he hasn't signed yet as an indication of anything. His next contract is going to be a tricky one as it should see some drop off in pay and a shorter term.

[Short Shift]

Iggy isn't going anywhere this season.
He will, however, test free agency in the summer. Even if he re-signs with the Flames, it will drive his contract up.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Sorry i don't buy the "Iggy is content" argument. If he was so content and did not care about winning a cup, he would have already re-signed with the flames. I would go as far to say, that they would have talked about a deal the minute last season was over, and on July 1st Iggy being resigned would have been the first announcement made before the first signing by any team.

The only reason Iggy has not resigned with the flames is because he is thinking about leaving the flames for a chance to win the cup.

Are you assuming the Flames have given him a blank cheque to sign and Iggy is holding off? The reason Iginla isn't signed is because the Flames likely aren't clear on what their path will be after this season and how much money they want to commit to an aging star that is past his prime. Make no mistake the Flames will not offer Iginla as much as he will get on the open market and if Iginla chooses to stay a Flame at a discount we will know all we need to on just how bad Iginla really wants to win a cup.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Goodness man. Faulting a guy for wanting to spend time with his family rather than suit up for a second tier event with a hodge podge of playoff outsiders?

Second tier international events are for younger guys looking to get international experience, maybe audition for Olympics, etc. Iginla has won the Hart and 2 Olympic golds. Let him have standards.

The guy can work hard when it matters and enjoy time off. You can find a better way to bitch about Iginla, that was weak.

Clearly you didn't properly read my post. I stated right away that I have no issue with a man wanting to spend time with his family. I don't fault Iginla at all however I believe that it's also in the best interests of the Flames to move in a different direction to change up the leadership dynamics and culture of the dressing room.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Interesting spot to be in as Flames fans in regards to the is Iginla "content" debate. Chances are we'll get our answer this year, barring a minor miracle where the Flames are actual contenders. Problem is, the answer will be a tough one for Flames fans regardless. If Iggy doesn't ask for a trade and re-ups in Calgary, it's likely true that he's made a decision that winning isn't as important as other things in life. Not something I would fault him for at all, but from a pure Flames perspective, it means we really need to make sure there is another sherif in town with the ability to be a difference maker who is super motivated by winning, and I'm not sure where we get this at the moment.

If Iggy actually wants to win more than anything else, the rub is be won't be a Flame, as he will likely request a trade to best accommodate those desires. Again, not something if fault him for. But the catch for Flame fans is, one way or another, again barring the incredibly unlikely, I don't think we see a super cup focused Iggy moving forward in Calgary. The two goals simply don't align at the moment, as Calgary simply can't be seen right now by any rational person as a destination well set up to compete for the cup, even to Iggy.

[clancy]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Clearly you didn't properly read my post. I stated right away that I have no issue with a man wanting to spend time with his family. I don't fault Iginla at all however I believe that it's also in the best interests of the Flames to move in a different direction to change up the leadership dynamics and culture of the dressing room.

I completely agree with you. Completely. You did not say anything negative about Iggy. There are some flames fans that just cant get past the concept that this team may be better off without him.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Are you assuming the Flames have given him a blank cheque to sign and Iggy is holding off? The reason Iginla isn't signed is because the Flames likely aren't clear on what their path will be after this season and how much money they want to commit to an aging star that is past his prime. Make no mistake the Flames will not offer Iginla as much as he will get on the open market and if Iginla chooses to stay a Flame at a discount we will know all we need to on just how bad Iginla really wants to win a cup.

Whether we like it or not the flames are very clear on what path they are on. They don't want a full rebuild and want to build from the draft. They have never wavered from the fact they want Iggy to remain a flame for life. Conroy this summer said that Iggy told him that he was in "wait and see mode". Would the path change if Iggy wanted a trade? Probably. But as for now the path is compete for playoffs with Iggy while drafting well.

As for "blank cheque" i would not go that far. I would say that ownership will probably pay him for past accomplishments. I would not offer Iggy anymore than a 3 year $15 million contract. I can easily see the flames offering him 4 years at $24 million. Could he get more than that on the open market? Probably, but i believe any team that gives him the $24 million or more is going to regret it big time in the last couple of years of that contract.

[Husky]

I think Iginla still has top value come the deadline. Yes he can still be productive but at his age...going forward his role should become less...IE a second line forward and PP specialist.

With that said I would welcome a deal where the Flames can nab a 1st round pick and a quality D prospect. I still think a team like the penguins are a suitor for Iginla. All he has to do is basically be a Brett Hull type player - get open and unleash his shot. Crosby/Malkin will do all the work and create the chances for Iginla. The penguins have enough D depth to make a deal happen.

[Vinny01]

There was an article in THN last week that stated the 2013 draft is nowhere near as deep as it has been perceived. The top 10 picks are nice but not as much beyond that. While adding a few firsts would be nice I think trading for NHL ready prospects or young players is going to speed up a potential post-Iggy re-tool

I also think the "content" talk is bs. Iggy has a strong loyalty to this organization and every year he is told by owners and management that the mandate is to win now and not rebuild. I think if the team is out of it at the deadline he will agree to move on but Iggy wants to win here and I believe he thinks it is possible