2012/13 General Heat Discussion Thread

[Johnny Rotten]

Hey, Pierre, what's up with Nemisz? Has he not overcome his off season injury? A game televised on Sportsnet during the lockout had the Chicago Wolves announcers mention how Nemisz was hard to deal with for the Wolves last year. Maybe it's not fair to judge a guy by his stats, but he seems to be struggling.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Originally Posted by Johnny Rotten

Hey, Pierre, what's up with Nemisz? Has he not overcome his off season injury? A game televised on Sportsnet during the lockout had the Chicago Wolves announcers mention how Nemisz was hard to deal with for the Wolves last year. Maybe it's not fair to judge a guy by his stats, but he seems to be struggling.

One game I'll think, "man, this guy's really taken a step back this year." Then the next game I'll think, "Wow. Nemisz has the worst luck in the hockey universe."

I'd say over the past 10 games or so, it's been the latter. He's just had the worst luck. The goalies always seem to come up huge when he decides to shoot the puck. He's doing a good job playing with Reinhart though.

Basically his job is to work the boards (which is his biggest strength IMO) and go to the front of the net and screen the goalie. Reinhart and the other linemate will do the rest.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Ruegsegger was released from his PTO and signed an SPC with the Heat. Just means he played the limit of games a PTO contract allows and the Heat decided to keep him around.

[Johnny Rotten]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

One game I'll think, "man, this guy's really taken a step back this year." Then the next game I'll think, "Wow. Nemisz has the worst luck in the hockey universe."

I'd say over the past 10 games or so, it's been the latter. He's just had the worst luck. The goalies always seem to come up huge when he decides to shoot the puck. He's doing a good job playing with Reinhart though.

Basically his job is to work the boards (which is his biggest strength IMO) and go to the front of the net and screen the goalie. Reinhart and the other linemate will do the rest.

When he was with Windsor, his biggest downfall from what I saw was his skating.( I recall Tod Button saying that the Flames had had their power skating coach check Nemisz out, and that the coach said his skating could be worked with.) But he seemed to have good hands.

Windsor was on tv a lot in those days, with Hall, Fowler, etc., and I'm sure Greg's stats benefited from his teammates, but other than skating, the rest of his game, seemed fine. Will/Can his skating improve enough to be a regular in the NHL?

[Ashasx]

Nemisz is done with this franchise come summer.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

His skating is pretty darn terrible. He worked with Roberts this offseason, but it doesn't show. His injury could've affected that.

[Johnny Rotten]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

His skating is pretty darn terrible. He worked with Roberts this offseason, but it doesn't show. His injury could've affected that.

Lesson to be learned here, and it seems the Flames have, is that if you have to ask a skating coach to see if a player's skating is good enough to play in the NHL, especially in the first round, stay away.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by Johnny Rotten

Lesson to be learned here, and it seems the Flames have, is that if you have to ask a skating coach to see if a player's skating is good enough to play in the NHL, especially a first rounder, stay away.

I think the lesson is to not get the "secondary players" of a team. Even if you're drafting from a weak team, try to get someone who's showing they can lead.

[moon]

I think the lesson is that drafting in the 20's is a crap shoot.

Guys like Cuma, Gustafsson, Tendeby, Leveille aren't exactly ripping it up either while Ennis, Carlson, Del Zotto and Eberle all look like solid NHLers.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by moon

I think the lesson is that drafting in the 20's is a crap shoot.

Guys like Cuma, Gustafsson, Tendeby, Leveille aren't exactly ripping it up either while Ennis, Carlson, Del Zotto and Eberle all look like solid NHLers.

I think the skill level between those 2 groups of players is unquestionable.

Skill > everything else

Flames went with the safe gritty Canadian who can't skate.

Which is why I, even though I'm not a big fan of Jankowski, am glad that we picked him over players like Wilson, Laughton, Gaunce, etc.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I think the skill level between those 2 groups of players is unquestionable.

Skill > everything else

Flames went with the safe gritty Canadian who can't skate.

Which is why I, even though I'm not a big fan of Jankowski, am glad that we picked him over players like Wilson, Laughton, Gaunce, etc.

Of course it is now, not so sure it was at the time of the draft.

Not too sure why Jankowski is considered to have any more skill than the guys you mentioned either.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by moon

Of course it is now, not so sure it was at the time of the draft.

Not too sure why Jankowski is considered to have any more skill than the guys you mentioned either.

It was obvious even at the time what kind of players they were.

Those guys are all pluggers, grinders. They have little chance of being top 6 forwards in the NHL. Most of them won't make it, those that do will be on the 3rd, probably 4th line. Sutter picks.

Come on now moon. Jankowski may be physically immature right now, but he is a good skater and has good puck skills. He definitely has more skill than any of those players. Doesn't mean he'll be the better player, but if he does make it, he'll definitely be the most valuable.

[Northern Lites]

See this from Heat Roster:

"2010-11:Finished second in team goal scoring as a rookie with 14 goals...Led club with three short-handed goals...Finished two points off team lead in points (33) in just 68 games played...Named co-winner of ‘Rookie of the Year’ award...Made NHL debut on 23/3/11 in a 6-3 loss to San Jose...Recorded his NHL first assist on 6/4/11 in 6-1 win vs. Edmonton"

Well looks like Nemisz had a pretty good first as did a several players who have come and gone........???

[Dorkmaster]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

It was obvious even at the time what kind of players they were.

Those guys are all pluggers, grinders. They have little chance of being top 6 forwards in the NHL. Most of them won't make it, those that do will be on the 3rd, probably 4th line. Sutter picks.

Come on now moon. Jankowski may be physically immature right now, but he is a good skater and has good puck skills. He definitely has more skill than any of those players. Doesn't mean he'll be the better player, but if he does make it, he'll definitely be the most valuable.

I love the Jankowski pick as much as you do, but doesn't mean Wilson, Laughton and Gaunce are garbage. Mike Richards, Kesler, Lucic. There's no way that they were ever projected to put up 60+ points when drafted. There's no way we thought Glencross would put up mid 20's in goals when drafted.

I think Nemisz will get retained for at least another year. Its not like Calgary is overflowing with prospects in Abbotsford right now.

[Ashasx]

If it comes down to a contract spot between Nemisz or Ramage, the answer should be Ramage. Nemisz right now is a waste of a contract.

[Short Shift]

Heat hosting Lake Erie,0-0, now in a shootout.
What. A. Boring. Game.

I missed the first one, but Ruegsegger and Bancks had goals for the SO win.

[getbak]

Heat win the shootout. A win's a win.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I think the skill level between those 2 groups of players is unquestionable.

Skill > everything elsec.

Sure but Tedenby is a guy in the bust category and he certainly was drafted on the basis of high end skill

There are no black and white rules when it comes to selecting players.

Though I will say I agree with the notion that hockey sense/IQ is the most important attribute to look for. It elevates skilled players to a higher level, and allows players with some flaws, like skating, to still excel.

Hockey sense is the x-factor, which is why I'm pleased to see that the Flames are focusing a lot on it.

[Yakbutter]

I went today the game this afternoon. I'm not a professional scout or anything like that but I can share some of my thoughts on the players.

Breen - Always on the right side of the puck in the defensive zone, adept at battling in front of the net, basically everything in the defensive zone he can do at an NHL level. The question is, can he transition to offence? I didn't get a chance to see this game but if he can make a good first pass and keep the puck in at the blue line he will be an nhl player. But I didn't see much of that part of his game so I don't know.

Brust - Hard to say what kind of goalie he is. There was one play where the Monter's forward was coming down the wing and shooting from the circle, and instead of turning his body to gloves the puck, he took his blocker and "punched" it out of the zone? never seen anything like that. There was a play where the monsters player came close to brust when he was handling the puck and brust knocked him over, I also saw brust facewash someone during a scrum. Interesting player.

Reinhart - Always the high forward, which I assume means he is always thinking defence. He has the wheels to play in the NHL, it's just a matter if he finds his hands I guess.

Horak - By far the best player on the heat. Always two steps ahead of his teammates and just makes decisions with the puck faster than everyone else. He had more chances than any other forward and he always looked dangerous. He's definitely an NHL player it will be interesting to see if he becomes a fourth liner or can put it together and be a top 2 line guy.

Kolanos - He is an opportunist. He doesn't really seem to set up plays or get involved, but he is always trying to put himself in the right place to knock in a lose puck.

Nemisz - Didn't see much of him tonight but it seems his job is to work the board and stand in front of the net and battle or look for tip ins. His skating is meh, first few steps are fairly choppy and his top speed is average. Not sure why he is not scoring.

[flames_fan13]

Saw the highlights of the game and seems like Reinhart is a lot more confident in himself. His two shootout attempts were high skill moves. Pulled off the Forsberg deke pretty smoothly despite hitting both posts.