Annual Trade Iggy thread

[Locke]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

What if the Flames are still out of the playoff picture, they trade Iggy as a rental, and he comes back next year?

Thats what some people are thinking when they're referring to 'Tkachuk.'

Didnt he do that two years in a row? And now look where the Blues are.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by pepper24

I never understood why when they resigned Tanguay a few summers back they didn't match his terms with Iginla's existing contract. Great value at $3.5M but contract out to end of 2015/2016. That's where I get confused on the Flames future game plan.

I don't have a problem of having Tanguay on this team until 2015/2016 at $3.5 million. By the end of the contract he will still be a 2nd line player. I would go as far to say that he would probably help this team more than Iggy would by 2015/2016.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Igottago

I don't think its a matter of culture change at all, its a matter of talent. Fact is the Flames don't have any skilled star players in their prime. If you don't have that, you won't be an elite team. I don't believe guys like Iginla or Kipper are okay with losing. They just have no choice. Its a young man's league.

The biggest failure of this organization over Iginla's career has been the ability to cultivate new stars that could be the go to guys as Iggy got older. Like Forsberg was to Sakic or Federov was to Yzerman. Iggy never had that.

I honestly think this is Iggy's last season with the Flames. Unless this team really catches fire and makes some kind of noise in the playoffs I don't even see him wanting to re-sign here.

I understand that, but you cant tell me that that was the absolute best from this group of players. Not even close.

And this level of performance is being trotted out on a shockingly regular basis lately.

The team as it is is not an elite team, but they shouldnt be hot garbage either. Thats where the attitude and culture of the team come in.

[Fire in the disco]

Originally Posted by skcli

I don't know why this type of thread keep coming up. Iggy is not a hot commodity anymore and to trade him away knowing that you do not get a good return is a waste of resources. Let him stay here and do not build a team around him anymore. Take him off the first line and let him play. He cannot carry this team anymore and it is absolutely to build your team with another core (whom?). Iginla is Iginla, he is not that dominant player that he once was.

Let it go people

Is Shane Doan a hot commodity? I seem to recall him commanding 7 million dollar contract offers this past summer.

If Iginla is traded, even as a rental he woul absolutely still garner a great return from the highest bidder. If this happens it will only be because we are clearly not in the mix at the deadline.

I would really hope that if he does leave as a rental that he is just that, and a contract extension is signed for him to play with the Flames after the playoffs

[skcli]

Originally Posted by pepper24

I never understood why when they resigned Tanguay a few summers back they didn't match his terms with Iginla's existing contract. Great value at $3.5M but contract out to end of 2015/2016. That's where I get confused on the Flames future game plan.

Flames like to resign veterans who have been here for a while, were traded away and then resign them a few year later, thinking there are all good contracts. I have been scratching my bald head looking for reasons but I never find one. Tanguay, Cammy, Begin are the three that I can think of.

Flames future game plan is to look at the past...recirculating the players one more time and think they can make the playoff

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Fire in the disco

Is Shane Doan a hot commodity? I seem to recall him commanding 7 million dollar contract offers this past summer.

If Iginla is traded, even as a rental he woul absolutely still garner a great return from the highest bidder. If this happens it will only be because we are clearly not in the mix at the deadline.

I would really hope that if he does leave as a rental that he is just that, and a contract extension is signed for him to play with the Flames after the playoffs

As great as bolded part would be, i don't see that ever happening. Iggy is " first class" all the way. That does not just pertain to Calgary only. Iggy would never screw over another team like that.

Now if free agency opened up and the best fit and offer was with Calgary then yes. He would never go to another team knowing that he would just be coming back to Calgary when the season is over.

[kobasew19]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

What if the Flames are still out of the playoff picture, they trade Iggy as a rental, and he comes back next year?

I'm thinking/hoping for the same thing.

[station]

I think sometimes people forget the context of some of these deals. The Regehr trade was not a trade to acquire certain players they wanted, it was purely to dump salary. Remember, Kotalik was included in the deal and the Flames even had to give up a 2nd to do so. If this trade didn't happen, Tanguay wasn't getting re-signed:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...rticle4261797/

The Phaneuf deal was made in the midst of a brutal losing streak and it was obviously deemed unnecessary to have three 'top 2' d-men when the team couldn't score. Stajan was supposed to bring 50 points, Hagman 25 goals, and White supposed to take Dion's place. Obviously it was a disaster and the team should have at least gotten a pick out of it instead.

With Iginla, there's no real pressing reason to trade him at this point. The team is clearly trying to stay competitive and re-build the farm system over a number of years at the same time. The only real reasons would be if he says flat out that he won't re-sign or if another team knocks your socks off with an offer.

[vilzeh]

Boston ? :>

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Locke

I understand that, but you cant tell me that that was the absolute best from this group of players. Not even close.

And this level of performance is being trotted out on a shockingly regular basis lately.

The team as it is is not an elite team, but they shouldnt be hot garbage either. Thats where the attitude and culture of the team come in.

Sorry my friend but they are hot garbage.

Team of 3rd liners and 4-5-6 defenders, and their starting goalie, their best player, is hurt.

[Jake]

I love how some posters in last nights GT get mad when Hughson suggests trading Iginla, and then this thread pops up on CP.

I gotta avoid this place after a loss. Before yesterday, the Flames put together one of the best stretches I have seen in years. No doubt they played like crap last night but I'm willing to give them a little slack after great performances against Edmonton, Chicago, Columbus and Detroit. They have a long way to go, but if they keep up their play of late it is going to be an interesting season.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by station

I think sometimes people forget the context of some of these deals. The Regehr trade was not a trade to acquire certain players they wanted, it was purely to dump salary. Remember, Kotalik was included in the deal and the Flames even had to give up a 2nd to do so. If this trade didn't happen, Tanguay wasn't getting re-signed:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...rticle4261797/

Tanguay could have been signed at 12:01 on July 1 without any problems with the cap flexing, and you could have thrown Kotalik in the minors to start the season.

Cap solved.

Instead, they go "Big game hunting".

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Tanguay could have been signed at 12:01 on July 1 without any problems with the cap flexing, and you could have thrown Kotalik in the minors to start the season.

Cap solved.

Instead, they go "Big game hunting".

Who freakin cares about RR, I thought this was an Iginla thread?

[KOgear]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Phaneuf was/is overpaid as well. Iginla is too, but he's a rental player so it's totally different from Phaneuf.

As far as Regehr goes, the return for our depth D has never been that great. I remember when we had (arguably) the deepest D in the league, then we traded....

Lydman that turned into John Armstrong
Commodore that turned into Gord Baldwin
Regehr for Butler
Phaneuf for Stajan and Babchuk

Not exactly a great return for all of our "great defensive depth".

Lydman and Commodore both brought back 3rd round picks, we just drafted badly.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by KOgear

Lydman and Commodore both brought back 3rd round picks, we just drafted badly.

Oh, I know that's why I said "turned into" instead of "for". My point was just that we didn't do very good turning NHL defencemen into anything worthwhile. Draft picks are overrated IMO, unless it's a first.

If Iginla was traded, I think it would be from him asking for a change of scenery. If that happened, I couldn't see him coming back.

[Vinny01]

Iggy + Sarich for Krieder + McIlrath + 2nd

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I don't have a problem of having Tanguay on this team until 2015/2016 at $3.5 million. By the end of the contract he will still be a 2nd line player. I would go as far to say that he would probably help this team more than Iggy would by 2015/2016.

Yep. Passers age better than snipers. Tanguay will score more points in 2015/2016 than Iginla. Book it.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by pepper24

I never understood why when they resigned Tanguay a few summers back they didn't match his terms with Iginla's existing contract. Great value at $3.5M but contract out to end of 2015/2016. That's where I get confused on the Flames future game plan.

Let me help you with that one: There is none.

[Northendzone]

It is about time someone started this thread. Look forward to seeing several more incarnations of it before the season ends

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Ark2

Let me help you with that one: There is none.

But at least it's Rock Solid