Annual Trade Iggy thread

[dino7c]

RR was/is overpaid and his value was next to nothing

Dion and Iggy are different stories

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Inferno

I wouldn't blame Iggy for wanting to go somewhere that he has a better chance at winning a cup but I wouldn't be surprised at all if he spends his whole career with the Flames even if it meant not winning a cup.

I guess Hartley may have some input as well and so far you would have to think Hartley hasn't exactly been enamoured with Iginla's play so far. My issue with Iginla is as long as he's on the team he's going to be treated like the go-to-guy even when he's past capable. Even now we still see the same old on the powerplay when the team cycles the puck looking to feed him for the one-timer that teams anticipate. How many times do we have to see his linemates pass up good scoring chances because they feel they have to set up Iginla? Personally I feel the team may actually improve without Iginla as the first line wouldn't be so predictable.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

thats ridiculous. When traded they were very very valuable on the market.

The Flames recieved next to no value because they didn't seek it. They caved and settled for the ugly 3am chick.

Dion was, but I don't think Regehr had much value any more. His game had really degenerated in the 18 months or so prior to his trade. He was only marginally less of a salary dump than Kotalik was.

[browna]

The problem with the Regher deal for me was still the timing and Feaster not exploring more options.

Feaster NEEDED to clear salary room for his run the next week at Richards, so he was desperate and found the first party willing to listen. Buffalo was that team.

If Feaster still had Regher in the days after the July 1 for teams that didn't get the UFA defenseman they wanted, the return was likely to be better.

In hindsight, with Regher struggling, its a little less of a point, but at that time, Regher had a lot more value then you're giving him EE.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by dino7c

RR was/is overpaid and his value was next to nothing

Dion and Iggy are different stories

Phaneuf was/is overpaid as well. Iginla is too, but he's a rental player so it's totally different from Phaneuf.

As far as Regehr goes, the return for our depth D has never been that great. I remember when we had (arguably) the deepest D in the league, then we traded....

Lydman that turned into John Armstrong
Commodore that turned into Gord Baldwin
Regehr for Butler
Phaneuf for Stajan and Babchuk

Not exactly a great return for all of our "great defensive depth".

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by browna

In hindsight, with Regher struggling, its a little less of a point, but at that time, Regher had a lot more value then you're giving him EE.

Then why didn't a team step up at the draft when it was widely known he was available? The only teams that had interest was the Sabres and Capitals. At the end of the day this isn't the Phaneuf trade where more than half the league didn't even know he was available. This was at the draft which after the trade deadline is the biggest trade weekend of the season with Feaster going from table to table looking for a deal and there just wasn't interest for Regehr @ $8 million owing. I simply don't understand how fans can say he had more value when no teams were interested in giving up said value.

[mikephoen]

As for the topic at hand, I'm in the Iggy for life camp personally.

If he does need to be traded though, it better be for a good return. And they better move everyone else of value too. Get as many 1st and 2nd round picks for this year's draft as possible. Supplement that with young NHLers and good prospects. Also, not to be underestimated in my opinion, the Flames are a team that can take back other teams problem contracts.

A combo of Iggy, Bouwmeester, Kipper or Cammy plus us taking back bad contracts should equal some really nice pieces from contending teams. Lesser pieces like Sarich, Smith, Jackman and Stepniak should also get us something decent at the deadline. Especially this year when there could be less teams selling than usual, since more teams should be in striking distance of the playoffs.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by browna

The problem with the Regher deal for me was still the timing and Feaster not exploring more options.

Feaster NEEDED to clear salary room for his run the next week at Richards, so he was desperate and found the first party willing to listen. Buffalo was that team.

If Feaster still had Regher in the days after the July 1 for teams that didn't get the UFA defenseman they wanted, the return was likely to be better.

In hindsight, with Regher struggling, its a little less of a point, but at that time, Regher had a lot more value then you're giving him EE.

I think I remember hearing that they also had a deal in place with SJ for Jamie McGinn, but didn't want to trade with a team they were going to be competing with

[browna]

As far as Iginla, as its been off and on for his career, the greatest compliment a player could ask for is team gameplanning to focus on him.

That is still happening.

When there are other offensive threats on the roster that force the opponent to worry a little bit less about Iginla, Iginla shines through with that extra time and space to shoot and or make plays.

When secondary scoring is contributing, the other teams won't be able to blanket Iginla and he'll have more time and space, as he has for the better part of the past decade.

IMO, this is up to Hudler and Cammalleri first and foremost, and Glencross to a lesser extent to make this happen. If they start being viable threats game in and game out, then the other team have to shift putting their best checkers on them, not just #12. Tanguay, as it has been his entire time here in both stints, has to prove that he can beat the other team by shooting, as team's may as well worry about Iginla, since Tanguay looks to pass to him as his first option, 5 out of 6 times.

[Locke]

I'm at the point where this team needs a serious culture change and thats not something that the coaching staff can do on their own.

Watching last night, this team has really gotten used to losing. They've accepted it and they know that their goal is 8th place.

Its time for the people that are okay with that to head for the exits and get some new faces that want to win.

If Iggy is one of them then so be it. I'm not for or against trading Iggy, I'm for changing this team's attitude. I'd rather the Flames not trade Iggy becuase hey, who doesnt love Iggy? Not to mention the fact that the return he'd get at this stage as an aging rental veteran player may not be worth it.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Phaneuf was/is overpaid as well. Iginla is too, but he's a rental player so it's totally different from Phaneuf.

As far as Regehr goes, the return for our depth D has never been that great. I remember when we had (arguably) the deepest D in the league, then we traded....

Lydman that turned into John Armstrong
Commodore that turned into Gord Baldwin
Regehr for Butler
Phaneuf for Stajan and Babchuk

Not exactly a great return for all of our "great defensive depth".

Maybe thinking Commodore is great defensive depth was part of the problem

[browna]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Then why didn't a team step up at the draft when it was widely known he was available? The only teams that had interest was the Sabres and Capitals. At the end of the day this isn't the Phaneuf trade where more than half the league didn't even know he was available. This was at the draft which after the trade deadline is the biggest trade weekend of the season with Feaster going from table to table looking for a deal and there just wasn't interest for Regehr @ $8 million owing. I simply don't understand how fans can say he had more value when no teams were interested in giving up said value.

As I said, many teams likely wanted to see how the players they targetted in UFA market was going to shakeout first (either for them, or, for divisional opponents) in the days following July 1.

Not saying Regher would've gotten a massive return...but the Flames were otherwise in no rush to dump Regher for any particular reason, and there would've been a lot more suitors and offers for Feaster to choose from just 1.5 weeks after the draft, which thus would've resulted in probably a better overall set of packages to choose from.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Maybe thinking Commodore is great defensive depth was part of the problem

You know he won a cup and signed a huge deal AFTER he left right?

[FlamesAllTheWay]

If the playoffs aren't looking so good this year come trade deadline day then I think it would be a horrible waste not to at least try to trade Iginla. His value as far as what he brings on ice has declined a bit. However, I believe he' still be a prime target for Cup contending teams that know they're not committing to anything beyond this season. He can still be a difference maker and the idea of surrounding him with some skilled talent and seeing how he does has got to be appealing for some teams.

If the season ends up going down the tube I say why not. Might be the last good chance we'll have to get something of value in return for him.

[868904]

In a perfect world, it's be great to keep Iggy here forever. But we don't live in a perfect world. Iggy will leave for greener pastures next year, there is no way he will stay. His body language and words suggest he wants to win a cup, he's very non committal when asked whether he'll stick around. If the Flames ask him to waive for a contender, Iggy will waive, that will be his last gift to this franchise.

Even if all the Flames can get for him is a late first rounder! Then they need to do it. It's a deep draft and with the way the scouts have been working lately, you let them work.

You should be able to pick up another late first rounder for Kipper and see what you can get for guys like Tanguay, Stempniak, Stajan. Keep some veterans (like Glencross, Hudler, Wideman, Gio, and Cammy who you deal next year for pick or prospect) around cause I don't think it's healthy to gut the team completely, the young guys like Sven, Brodie and Backlund still need support.

But with a lottery pick, and two late first rounders in a deep draft, you can accelerate the rebuild on the fly. If you pick up a guy like Barkov or Monahn with the lottery pick and guys like Pétan or Gauthier withe the late first rounder, you've really set your future up well when you supplement them with guys like Sven, Gaudreau, Jankowski, etc.

In the offseason, you see if you can get some more value second tier ufas similar to Wideman and Hudler and integrate some more younger guys into your lineup next year.

This is what the team SHOULD do.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by Locke

I'm at the point where this team needs a serious culture change and thats not something that the coaching staff can do on their own.

Watching last night, this team has really gotten used to losing. They've accepted it and they know that their goal is 8th place.

Its time for the people that are okay with that to head for the exits and get some new faces that want to win.

If Iggy is one of them then so be it. I'm not for or against trading Iggy, I'm for changing this team's attitude. I'd rather the Flames not trade Iggy becuase hey, who doesnt love Iggy? Not to mention the fact that the return he'd get at this stage as an aging rental veteran player may not be worth it.

good post!

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Maybe thinking Commodore is great defensive depth was part of the problem

484 NHL games played. A stanley cup, gold medal at the World Championships......... How's Gord Baldwin doing?

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Locke

I'm at the point where this team needs a serious culture change and thats not something that the coaching staff can do on their own.

Watching last night, this team has really gotten used to losing. They've accepted it and they know that their goal is 8th place.

Its time for the people that are okay with that to head for the exits and get some new faces that want to win.

If Iggy is one of them then so be it. I'm not for or against trading Iggy, I'm for changing this team's attitude. I'd rather the Flames not trade Iggy becuase hey, who doesnt love Iggy? Not to mention the fact that the return he'd get at this stage as an aging rental veteran player may not be worth it.

That's what I've been saying too. It's funy because a lot of the players takl about how they've been close for the past few years and that they're almost there... Most of our guys are on the downward swing of their careers and not getting better with time. They aren't getting closer, they're getting further away and they don't realize it because they've become too complacent. A change needs to come because they aren't good enough. I'm going to hate to see Iggy go, but he won't be here forever, if they don't realize a change is needed then something is wrong with them.

[CalgaryFan1988]

I hope either Iginla gets traded at the deadline for a really good return, or preferably signs a contract extension prior to the deadline with a full NMC (along with a good hometown discount) and announces that he will be retiring a Flame.

The last thing we need is a Sundin fiasco with 0 return and lose him for nothing via free agency.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by neo45

You know he won a cup and signed a huge deal AFTER he left right?

George Parros won a cup...and his huge deal worked out so well he ended up in the AHL