[$50 bet] Dion vs Bertuzzied; Which Flames goalie starts Monday

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Realtor 1

It isn't rocket appliances, Irving starts, Taylor is to fill a roster spot and nothing else at this point. Imagine him getting lit up then falling apart mentally... Irving starts 100%

Danny Taylor
2010-11 Springfield Falcons AHL 4 2.35 .929 |
Hamburg Freezers DEL 28 2.90 .905 |
2011-12 Springfield Falcons AHL 10 2.58 .914 |
Abbotsford Heat AHL 33 2.21 .927 | Playoffs 7 2.26 .917
2012-13 Abbotsford Heat AHL 26 1.77 .930

Leland Irving
2010-11 Abbotsford Heat AHL 61 2.30 .913 |
2011-12 Abbotsford Heat AHL 39 2.67 .902 |
2012-13 Abbotsford Heat AHL 6 3.72 .871

Taylor may not get to play but I don't get why people seem to think hes a scrub around here. He has been better than Irving the last 3 yrs and hes only 26. I think he is up here because he has legitimately earned the right to have some starts. Not sure why everyone is so much higher on Irving.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Danny Taylor
2010-11 Springfield Falcons AHL 4 2.35 .929 |
Hamburg Freezers DEL 28 2.90 .905 |
2011-12 Springfield Falcons AHL 10 2.58 .914 |
Abbotsford Heat AHL 33 2.21 .927 | Playoffs 7 2.26 .917
2012-13 Abbotsford Heat AHL 26 1.77 .930

Leland Irving
2010-11 Abbotsford Heat AHL 61 2.30 .913 |
2011-12 Abbotsford Heat AHL 39 2.67 .902 |
2012-13 Abbotsford Heat AHL 6 3.72 .871

Taylor may not get to play but I don't get why people seem to think hes a scrub around here. He has been better than Irving the last 3 yrs and hes only 26. I think he is up here because he has legitimately earned the right to have some starts. Not sure why everyone is so much higher on Irving.

It has nothing to do with him "being a scrub", it has everything to do with the fact that Irving win this job with his play last year then again in training camp, that the Flames could have let Irving walk as a free agent in the summertime and signed Taylor instead, but they chose Irving.

It also has alot to do with the fact that Irving played a good game despite the score, that it doesn't make sense to bench a guy after standing up in the media and providing quotes like this

“Certainly, Leland Irving kept us in the game,” summed up Flames head coach Bob Hartley. “Without him, it would have been much worse.

and following it up by taking away the player's first ever home game. It simply makes no sense to start Taylor and that has nothing to do with my opinion of Taylor as I think he is a very good goaltender. It's simply not the right time to start him.

[edn88]

Why not see what you have in Taylor as a signed goalie. Cannot hurt.

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I want Taylor.

Dude deserves ONE start for the sake of holding the fort in Abby.

Especially if Kipper could be back as soon as Wed.

Not saying he'll get it, but I think he should.

The coaches make their decisions based on who they think gives us the best chance to win the games, not on who's a nice guy or deserves a thank you. I'm sure everyone would be happy for Taylor if he gets a chance to play, but that's not a reason to give him a chance to play.

Based on what I've seen, Irving has played well enough that I expect him to continue getting the starts until next week's back-to-back games or until Kipper returns, whichever comes first.

[GGG]

I said this in the first thread on this topic but we need to evaluate what we have in Irving. Right now we have that opportunity. We need to take it. It doesnt matter that Taylor may be good or not. We dont have enough games to evaluate two goalies at the NHL level. We picked Irving at the start of the year and until the decision has been made to cut ties with him he has to get all of the backup starts.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Actually even better..... I won't even take Dion's $50 if Taylor starts on Monday.

If i win Dion can't post a gif for 2 weeks! hahahahaha That's like pure torture.

Deal?

Originally Posted by Dion

Let me get this straight..... If I win you owe me $50 and if you win I can't post a gif for 2 weeks. Is this what you are suggesting?

Originally Posted by Dion

I love that idea. That and no hehehe in his signature either.

Just thought of something better. Bertuzzied can't make a post for 2 weeks that is a complaint about a player or the coach in game threads. All posts have to positive in nature

I'll wait to see what he says.

...and 15 posts in and they're both shying away from the original monetary bet.

[Fire Park '71]

Flames tied for 27th in +/-. How could it hurt to let Taylor start against Minny? Give, Leland "Jimmy legs" Irving, the night off.

[kyuss275]

Irving has shown that he can win games for the flames but some of CP want to give Taylor a try?

The flames are a bubble team and cp wants to experiment for one game on Taylor? That one game could be the difference on making the playoffs or not.

[FlamesAllTheWay]

I think it very unlikely Taylor gets a start while he is here. Not to say he doesn't deserve a shot but it's just the way I see things playing out in the short time Kipper's out.

Kipper's only day-to-day and could be back any game now. So it's not like we need to come up with a long-term strategy for life without him in net for the next couple months and throw Taylor in net to see what we have. We just need someone to step in and play a few games in the interim. Irving was drafted and developed by the Flames to be a regular goalie (starter or backup) in the NHL and he finally won the spot this year. He has 1 win in 2 games and has shown he can make a big save when we need it and keep his composure in net when facing some adversity. Irving is our guy and it's really his job to lose until Kipper returns. So far I'd say he hasn't lost it.

So unless it's for relief duty or else Kipper somehow can't return in time for our next back-to-back Feb 23 and 24 then I really don't see Taylor getting a start while he's here.

[Locke]

I hope the NHLPA is happy. This is what the lockout has made us come to.

[hkstylez]

Irvings played great. I think he will be the go to guy once Kipper comes back.

[Stay Golden]

If it wasn't for being drafted in the first round and Irving's contract. Taylor would have been Kippers backup. I still can't believe that Irving was drafted in the first round.

No matter how you slice it how the 5 goals were scored, 5 goals against is 5 goals against.

I would give Taylor the start based on what he has done for the Flames with the Heat this season and even last season.

He took Irvings starting role on merit.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

If it wasn't for being drafted in the first round and Irving's contract. Taylor would have been Kippers backup. I still can't believe that Irving was drafted in the first round.

No matter how you slice it how the 5 goals were scored, 5 goals against is 5 goals against.

I would give Taylor the start based on what he has done for the Flames with the Heat this season and even last season.

He took Irvings starting role on merit.

Taylor would never have been Kippers back up. There is a reason that until now Taylor has had an ahl contract only, he is not in the flames plans for the big club.

Considering they waived both goalies just before announcing who was the back up in pre season , its not hard to imagine that Feaster was working the phones to find another back up.

Irving has played well enough in his 2 games to keep showing that he is a capable back up. If he faulters from here on out, look for Feaster to make a trade for a backup.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

If it wasn't for being drafted in the first round and Irving's contract. Taylor would have been Kippers backup. I still can't believe that Irving was drafted in the first round.

No matter how you slice it how the 5 goals were scored, 5 goals against is 5 goals against.

I would give Taylor the start based on what he has done for the Flames with the Heat this season and even last season.

He took Irvings starting role on merit.

In the second half of the game, the flames gave it up like a prom date. Irving was absolutely hung out to dry, and if anything, the five goals against is indicative of how brilliant Kiprusoff is.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

You don't go into a game as big as tomorrow's is and throw Taylor in the net because he's a nice guy who's played well in the minors, or because you want to 'see what he can do'.

Tomorrow is a huge game. Irving will be the starting goalie.

[Stay Golden]

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and you can expect more of the same. Minny is even more physical and Irving will get screened even more and he probably gets let up.
He plays too often back to far in the net and that has been the book on him for a few years now.
He was 3rd in the depth chart for the Heat for a reason. Not because Ward doesn't like him.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

I didn't get to see the game last night, but in Bingo's Game Takes he said Irving stood on his head.

With that said though, I'm a huge fan of Taylor. He deserves the start simply based on playing hero for the last two seasons with the Heat.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

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and you can expect more of the same. Minny is even more physical and Irving will get screened even more and he probably gets let up.
He plays too often back to far in the net and that has been the book on him for a few years now.
He was 3rd in the depth chart for the Heat for a reason. Not because Ward doesn't like him.

I don't care what he did with the Heat, I care about how he's playing now. And he played well last night.

The Wild have scored fewer goals than the Flames after playing 2 more games. They're not exactly an offensive juggernaut. If Irving can play well again and the team wakes up I have a good feeling about tomorrow.

But it's certainly not a time to put Taylor in to start. That's a risk to take for no reason. He should sit on the bench unless Irving falls apart.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

With that said though, I'm a huge fan of Taylor. He deserves the start simply based on playing hero for the last two seasons with the Heat.

No he doesn't. He deserves an NHL contract and chance to be called up if injuries occur. And that's what has happened. He doesn't deserve the start in a huge game because he's played well in the minors and is a nice guy. Irving played well, he starts again. It's a no-brainer.

[Locke]

I think it says a lot about the character of the Calgary Flames when they let the kid get lit up.

Yeah, they were losing but they didnt even play for pride and they didnt give a rat's ass about the rookie between the pipes playing his damned heart out. That was sickening.