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Old 01-31-2013, 01:54 PM   #561
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Of the places I know who are still on the Bb track. They do so to reign in data costs by only allowing Bold.

The problem is its so terrible to develop apps on the Bb that they almost are forced to to IOS as developing on IOS is much easier.
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The problem is its so terrible to develop apps on the Bb that they almost are forced to to IOS as developing on IOS is much easier.
On the old OS or the new one though? The new OS is supposed to be fairly easy to develop for from what I've read.
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I wonder how many holdouts there still are with old Blackberry's who were waiting for these new BB10's to see what they could offer.

I know in my circle of friends almost all of us still use our Bolds, with a couple having a separate iPhone or Android. Im a keyboard user myself but am quite tempted to give this new Z10 a try. Despite all the flak over the years, if there's any company I trust to best replicate qwerty on a touchscreen, it would be Blackberry.
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Bad news for BB today... my company sent out an internal communication letting us know that all BB are being replaced with iPhones.

That's like 1000 BBs being taken off the network.
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Old 01-31-2013, 08:19 PM   #565
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Bad news for BB today... my company sent out an internal communication letting us know that all BB are being replaced with iPhones.

That's like 1000 BBs being taken off the network.
Yeah, this may be a too little too late thing no matter what. Our company did the same thing about 6 months ago, and they lost about 60 devices. I was one of the camp that opted to pay out of pocket for my own device, as opposed to having to remove my battery and reboot my phone 6 times a day.
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I wonder how many holdouts there still are with old Blackberry's who were waiting for these new BB10's to see what they could offer.

I know in my circle of friends almost all of us still use our Bolds, with a couple having a separate iPhone or Android. Im a keyboard user myself but am quite tempted to give this new Z10 a try. Despite all the flak over the years, if there's any company I trust to best replicate qwerty on a touchscreen, it would be Blackberry.
I plan on trying to hold out and see what the Q10 is like. I like the keyboard and I think a lot of people do. At this point those of us who do have basically no other option that I'm aware of?

The other thing is that the things that Blackberry does well it does very well. Yes, the browser has been terrible and app selection is pathetic. I have a tablet for that. I do wish the browser was better, but if the Q10 solves that issue then its probably the best of both worlds. I stayed with the bold, so maybe the Torch solved all of this as well? I couldn't say.
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Did anyone pick up or at least browse in person the release of the Z10 today since it's release date today in Canada? Impressions? Thoughts. I would so love to support BB but I've been converted to other phones for too long now.
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I'm also interested to hear some first-person takes. iPhones don't play well with our work email server for some reason, and our IT person is either unable or unwilling to fix the problem. The guys still running BB have no problems at all, and I would consider switching back for that reason.
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played with the BB yesterday Z10 and was very unimpressed
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played with the BB yesterday Z10 and was very unimpressed
why?
I also went and checked it out and thought it was very good, Im considering flipping.
Browser was VERY fast, it did what it was supposed to do as advertised. I can see getting used to the Hub and how that works as a learning curve...outside of that its nice looking and seems to be as advertised.
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I'm also interested to hear some first-person takes. iPhones don't play well with our work email server for some reason, and our IT person is either unable or unwilling to fix the problem. The guys still running BB have no problems at all, and I would consider switching back for that reason.
Well if iPhones don't work with the mail server, BB10 won't either, since it uses ActiveSync, or in lieue of that a brand new BES type service, which your IT dept won't have in service yet.
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I'm also interested to hear some first-person takes. iPhones don't play well with our work email server for some reason, and our IT person is either unable or unwilling to fix the problem. The guys still running BB have no problems at all, and I would consider switching back for that reason.
They connect to the mail server in two different ways. iPhone uses Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync and the Blackberry uses the Blackberry Enterprise Server (BES). From what I've read, you can't re-use your old BES infrastructure, you need to get their new one so that negates that as a cost-savings.

Going to get a presentation tomorrow about Blackberry going forward so we'll see how that goes. We're on full BYOD mode but the company will still issue corporate Blackberrys or iPhones depending on user choice. Almost everybody but the old guard has gone for the iPhone so far.
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They connect to the mail server in two different ways. iPhone uses Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync and the Blackberry uses the Blackberry Enterprise Server (BES). From what I've read, you can't re-use your old BES infrastructure, you need to get their new one so that negates that as a cost-savings.

Going to get a presentation tomorrow about Blackberry going forward so we'll see how that goes. We're on full BYOD mode but the company will still issue corporate Blackberrys or iPhones depending on user choice. Almost everybody but the old guard has gone for the iPhone so far.
You don't need the new Blackberry Device Services server software if you don't need policies or other aspects of MDM above and beyond what ActiveSync offers. For many small to mid-sized organizations that are already handling iOS and Android devices without an MDM solution in place, it's probably no more or less cost effective to deploy BB10 at this point.

(edited to remove redundant pointing out of BB10 doing ActiveSync - I think you were referring to legacy BB devices mentioned in the OP's post)
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Old 02-08-2013, 08:17 PM   #574
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The BB hub is worth the price of admission. Will post more thoughts as I spend a few working days with the phone.
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Wanted to play around with a couple demo Z10's I saw in various stores in Chinook.

All of them were limited by the unmovable demo mode. Really disappointed.
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hows the speed compared to other phones?
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hows the speed compared to other phones?
Good in my opinion - it's definitely faster than my iPhone 4. Scrolling performance seems good and smooth, and the browser is quite quick. I don't know if it's iPhone 5 quick, I haven't played with my wife's 5 enough to have a good opinion. I don't game on my phones, so I have no idea what raw graphics performance is like.

Other stuff in no particular order:

* The scrolling momentum is a bit different than the iPhone - not worse, just different - it kinda picks up speed as it leaves your finger - hard to explain, but basically the acceleration curve is different. It is smooth though.

* Screen quality is really good; it's actually higher PPI than the iPhone. Auto-dimming based on ambient light works PROPERLY, which cannot be said of any iOS device.

* The Hub really is a revelation coming from the iPhone. I tucked away the BBM and Text Message app icons in a folder - no need for them, you can get to that functionality via the Hub from anywhere. It nice not to have notification badges on Twitter, Messages, Facebook, Mail, and Calendar, and be flipping between them clearing them off. I came for the Hub, and I love it. It makes the silo'ed data approach of iOS seem really, really, really backwards.

* The hardware quality is good. It feels good in the hand, size, weight, build quality, and appearance wise. It looks like it means business - it's dark, trim, understated and the little notification LED looks cool. I dunno. I like it. RIM has always made decent hardware; this is no exception.

* The calendar numbers are larger or smaller in month view depending on the meeting load that day

* The keyboard auto-completion words are based on your message/text/bbm content - it's suggesting words like vmware, VMFS, Adobe, Squid, etc, that it would have no business suggesting on a non-IT user's phone. The key click noise is infinitely cooler than iOS (nitpick, I know, but its this low pitched thunk rather than a click - it sounds good). Overall, I do feel the BB10 onscreen keyboard is better than iOS so far.

* the Active Tile (or whatever it's called) task switching and task killing is far superior to the iPhone. Some of the tiles are live (calendar, weather, and photos, that I've noticed), which is their own take on Metro and Android widgets I guess. It'll be even better once more apps support it.

* The Dropbox integration into File Manager is superb. Again, this makes iOS look a little ######ed - it's very easy to work with; I don't know what Apple was thinking with the silo'ed data.

* The browser bookmarking system supports tags. I've not used another browser on any platform that supports this. Neat idea.

* I had no idea how much I missed the notification LED from my old 8770 back in the day. Truly a handy feature.

* Having a phone be almost 100% gesture based is the way to go. Steve Jobs was right on this one, and should not have capitulated to having the home button on the iPhone. Clicking home seems archaic, as does having to click to wake it up. There's only really the four side swipes, plus the little j-hook for Hub, and the way they implement all of these, where you can begin to pull them in and see what is going to happen before it actually the action, means its unlikely you'll get confused, and never once you have it down. It's intuitive after 5 minutes use.

Rough spots so far:

- I have problems getting the cursor magnification reticule to appear for editing, or I sometimes get stuck in the text selection mode rather than the cursor reticule mode. I think it's partially me, and maybe it's partially a bit fiddly too.

- Maps look somewhat primitive and have no satellite view. I can't vouch for accuracy - i never had accuracy issues with iOS or Google maps, so I don't know. Turn by turn was a bit slow to actually begin a route, but once it did, it was acceptable. It's on par with the iOS TomTom app for visuals - nothing exciting, but enough.

- Android apps run slower (although not awfully overall in my highly limited testing) and don't render fonts as well - you can tell which apps were Android ports. This will be about as annoying probably as using iPhone apps on an iPad in 2x mode is - not ideal, but acceptable if it fills a need. Native apps will always be the gold standard (unsuprising)

- The Twitter supplied twitter app sucks - because I'm coming from the iPhone, I've been totally spoiled by Tweetbot, and especially Twitteriffic. It's a native app though and performs well, at least. This is an area I expect will get addressed in the future via third party devs.

- The app store has a dearth of good apps. Which I knew going in. They've already said they'll have the handful of additional apps I need on the phone (Rdio and Skype are really all I'm desperate for. Lync will also be nice if it makes it, and I have no doubt it will. Add in MLB@Bat and NHL Gamcenter, and I'm good)

- The voice stuff isn't on par with Siri. I couldn't figure out how to create an alarm "in 20 minutes" which is the kind of thing I use Siri for on the iPad _all the time_ for household stuff like remembering when to let the dog in or when to turn the bathtub off for the kids, etc.

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That's all I got right now - way more than you asked for, but I figured I'd share since people are probably curious.

I'm happy with the purchase right now (day 2..lol). Once I get Rdio, MLB@Bat, Skype, and some of the other tier-1 apps that have been promised, I think I'll be really happy.

I'm glad RIM has managed to put together a decent product - the folks that worked hard on this have done a good job for an initial release, and they deserve the opportunity to fight it out in the marketplace. I have no doubt this is enough to keep them alive, albeit as a hugely distant 3rd or 4th place..but that's OK, its a big and ever growing market, and not everyone needs to be a 100 billion goliath. It'll find it's niche.

Interesting side note/story - the girl who helped me with the purchase said she could have sold every unit she could get her hands on, if she could have gotten more - I bought on Friday morning, and she said she could have sold 40 the day before, and this was at a small, small store downtown (@ Bow Valley Square; it's like a 40 square foot Telus shop). Doesn't mean anything really, compared to an Apple or Samsung launch, but I thought it was interesting none the less. While I was buying two other people came in looking for them (I got the last one). So there is some demand there.
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Old 02-10-2013, 09:53 AM   #578
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Some of those things you have mentioned are the exact same with the Playbook. The gestures, intuitive word suggestions and things like that are just so good. Its a lot of the reason that I think its sort of a beta/vhs fight where Blackberry is the beta. They make things that just do some things incredibly well, and somehow don't get enough credit for that.
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So Blackberry Hub is where you can get all your messages, social networking alerts, emails, etc, etc on ONE app? Because I would love that.
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So Blackberry Hub is where you can get all your messages, social networking alerts, emails, etc, etc on ONE app? Because I would love that.
It's not even an app. Rather the best way to put it is how it's similar in function of being something like a layer, like the pull down notification on iOS and Android. The hub coexists with whatever it is you're doing.
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