[Signing] Flames sign Danny Taylor to Deal

[Domoic]

Anyone know who will take Taylor's spot in Abby?

[Resolute 14]

On the emergency recall nonsense - the ONLY reason we were allowed to recall Baertschi last year was because we had FIVE forwards on IR. If we had fewer, we would not have been able to recall him. One of the reasons we gained the option was because teams have to manage both their AHL and NHL rosters. Yes, we had other options than Sven last year, but we reached a point where we had to go elsewhere to avoid compeltely depleting the minor league team.

Now, for goaltenders, we obviously would not have to have five goalies on IR to gain an emergency recall from junior, but the odds are that we would have to have more than one on IR before this becomes a reality. There is a very high chance that Broissoit was never an option. Though maybe he becomes one if Kipper is out long term and another goalie goes down. I'm not sure where that threshold is.

Also, since Backlund was mentioned, he was not under a CHL contract when we brought him in for that one game so his junior status was irrelevant to that situation. He signed in Calgary, played that game, then was assigned to Kelowna.

[Vulcan]

I'm happy for Taylor, he's paid his dues and has had a couple of good years in Abbotsford. He even took the starting job away from Irving in last season's playoffs. Yeah Irving was the Heat's third goalie this season but I don't think his heart was into it (figuring out goalies mindsets is a losing game) and he was just there to stay interested and physically ready. He had proved himself in the NHL and showed he can play at that level, something that Taylor hasn't done yet, so I think Irving gets the starts unless he's injured or craps the bed.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

I'm happy for Taylor, he's paid his dues and has had a couple of good years in Abbotsford. He even took the starting job away from Irving in last season's playoffs. Yeah Irving was the Heat's third goalie this season but I don't think his heart was into it (figuring out goalies mindsets is a losing game) and he was just there to stay interested and physically ready. He had proved himself in the NHL and showed he can play at that level, something that Taylor hasn't done yet, so I think Irving gets the starts unless he's injured or craps the bed.

Unless Irving is positively a liability on the ice, I don't see how he doesn't start every game until Kiprusoff returns. This time is about evaluating what the team has in Irving as an NHL goaltender, and I don't see Kipper being back in less than five or six games.

Take the opportunity and run, kid. You're not getting a better one.

[dammage79]

Dont think the Flames wanted to risk an injury with Irving as they already had thoughts on him being the number two anyways. Feaster had some quotes saying they were treating him as a locked out player anyways. Add to that why take away starts from guys who earned them in Abby? I think the Flames and Abby made the right call in limiting Irvings starts and keeping the Mojo going between Taylor and Brust.

Good luck Taylor, especially if you get to see some action with the big club.

[hkstylez]

I am hoping Taylor's fantasy sim stats go up if he does get to play a few games in the NHL and does well from it..

[Badgers Nose]

My guess is that the bionic groin finally went sproing!

Groin injury + goalie = WTH knows when he will be 100% again. Plus is was off to a slow start. If he comes back, and need a few game to get up to speed can the Flames afford that?

IMO they will hope Leland fulfills his potential and takes the pressure off Kipper. When Kipper is ready they can hopefully ride the hot hand.

[Pacem]

Originally Posted by Parallex

What was the emergency when we called Sven up last year? We had forwards in the AHL under NHL contract then as well.



I don't see why not.



Not anyone who mattered.



Huh? Do you think Ben Walter is seething in Abbotsford right now embittered that Sven got NHL games last year and he didn't? I don't think anyone would be "insulted" and if they are then they're probably crybabies and I wouldn't want them on the team or in the org anyways.



Sure, there is no reason they couldn't (and in fact they did) the question isn't whether they could've it's whether they should've.



And that's what I think they should have done (absent exact knowledge of Kipper medical situation)... signed Brossiot to an ELC, which they should do this year anyways, and then given him an emergency recall. What difference does it make whether it was signed yesterday morning or today?


Technically you have to have a back-up, NHL rules stipulate that you dress two goalies per game... the only question is who the back-up goalie should be. My view is that since they are unlikely to play at all anyways you may as well save yourself a contract spot for 10 days or so while they evaluate Kipper's injury. If he's out longer then sure sign someone but if he's going to be back in fairly short order then you should make the move that ensures maximum contract efficiency. Unless they intend for whomever it is that backs Irving up to actually start games.

There is just so much BS in this post. As the thread has chugged along its been proven that they couldn't constitute this situation as an emergency.

I'll just go at the bolded part. Yes, Walter is very happy to be playing in Abby. As already stated, he couldn't have been called up last year anyways. He makes 275k a year, and gets to play in front of many friends and family. FYI, he did go to school in neighbouring Langley and his dad is the President of the team.

[EVERLAST]

Butler better NOT be playing in front of backup goalies that are going to be getting deliberately crashed and whatnot.....if Hartley dresses this butter soft piece of whipped cream ahead of Sarich I think I am gonna puke.

I think Irving is gonna be fine ....Taylor as his backup...lets just get him in for a game or at least split time with Irving if he is as deserving as his contract /callup suggests

[getbak]

Based on this, bringing in Brossoit or Gillies on an emergency ATO was an option, but they preferred signing Taylor.

It doesn't sound like it was a tough decision to offer the contract, but if Taylor had asked for more, they would have made the same offer to Brust.

[Nemisz/Breen]

Tyson Sexsmith, Ex. Vancouver Giant, now new goalie for Abbotsford Heat.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Nemisz/Breen

Tyson Sexsmith, Ex. Vancouver Giant, now new goalie for Abbotsford Heat.

A Calgary kid and Sharks prospect I believe.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

A Calgary kid and Sharks prospect I believe.

we love stealing goalies from the Sharks - this is just the first step of the next evil genius plan!

[BACKCHECK!!!]

I don't get why people are so worked up about how Irving has to get the starts, and Taylor is just here to ride pine.

Oh, actually I do know why, it's because Irving was a 1st rounder... SEVEN years ago.

Reading CP you'd think that Irving is fresh-faced kid taking the world by storm, while Taylor is some has-been career minor leaguer. Taylor is all of about 2 years older, has decisively outplayed Irving when given the chance, and has taken his job twice.

Why do we "have to see what Irving can do at the NHL level", but not Taylor? Frankly, at this point we have every reason to think Taylor is better than Irving. Clearly Troy Ward agrees, as he chooses Taylor over Irving head to head. We know Irving can translate his skills into at least a backup position in the NHL, but otherwise we have no reason to think that Irving has a higher ceiling than Taylor.

I would be perfectly happy to give Taylor the chance to steal Iring's job yet again.

[bax]

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[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by EVERLAST

Butler better NOT be playing in front of backup goalies that are going to be getting deliberately crashed and whatnot.....if Hartley dresses this butter soft piece of whipped cream ahead of Sarich I think I am gonna puke.

I think Irving is gonna be fine ....Taylor as his backup...lets just get him in for a game or at least split time with Irving if he is as deserving as his contract /callup suggests

Maybe Sarich has had a flare up of his condition and they are keeping it on the down low.

[driveway]

Irving being drafted six years ago is not a huge strike against him. He was drafted the same year as Neuvirth, Varlamov, Steve Mason, Reimer, Enroth, Bachman, and Bernier. All of whom are considered to be young goalies if not essentially prospects.

From the following drafts, only these guys have played more NHL games that Irving: Allen York, Kevin Poulin, Anders Lindback, Matt Hackett, and Robin Lehner, of whom only Lindback has established himself as an NHL goalie, so it's not like there are a pile of guys younger than Irving who've blown the doors off the league.

[FlamesAddiction]

If anything, Irving gets the benefit of the doubt more because of his draft position.

He won the back-up position over Karlsson, but not over Taylor as Taylor didn't have a deal. As others have mentioned, Taylor bumped Irving in Abbotsford and if this really is a meritocracy, then he should get that chance now.

Even though Feaster didn't draft Irving, I don't think he wants the black eye from letting a former first rounder go. And it's not that I am saying that Irving's NHL potential is gone, but I am not convinced that Taylor's potential is any different at this point.

[keenan87]

Screw Taylor, I like Irving.

Give the guy a chance instead of wasting another goalie prospect. Honestly, Irving has done relatively well in the NHL last year and deserves this. What a message this would send to other players who are in the system if Taylor gets the start.

AKA Krahn, Keetley etc.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Screw Taylor, I like Irving.

Give the guy a chance instead of wasting another goalie prospect. Honestly, Irving has done relatively well in the NHL last year and deserves this. What a message this would send to other players who are in the system if Taylor gets the start.

AKA Krahn, Keetley etc.

I guess the same message it sent when we had Karlsson as the back-up, but then shuttled Irving up and down from the minors to actually play the games. Being the NHL back-up doesn't necessarily mean they like him more.

I think Taylor officially qualifies as a goalie prospect now too. Draft position be damned, they should have to fight it out.

For all I know, Irving is better and it shouldn't be an issue. Never have I seen Taylor play. It just seems like the coaches in Abbotsford had more faith in him.