Jason Kenney wants to take away Cdn citizenship from terrorists

[SebC]

What happens if the the other country a person has citizenship in decides to pass a similar bill? It's kind of a can of worms...

As for dual citizenship, I have UK citizenship because I was born there. It gives me the right to move back and work there, if I chose. How does that harm you? Why would you want to take that away from me?

[Nyah]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Frankly, I'm of the opinion that if you are a citizen of another country and you apply to become a Canadian citizen, you should have to renounce your citizenship of your former country.

Why? What difference does it make to you that people immigrating here still have the option to move back to their homeland if they'd like? Pinning it on terrorists and saying it would be worth it just to curb the possibility that they could have gains using Canadian citizenship sounds pretty damn unfair to everyone else, who are the VAST majority.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Frankly, I'm of the opinion that if you are a citizen of another country and you apply to become a Canadian citizen, you should have to renounce your citizenship of your former country.

Isn't this a bit contradictory? If the person only has one citizenship, where do you send these citizenship-less people after you strip them of their Canadian citizenship?

If Kenney dislikes immigrants so much, why not just make citizenship only available to natural born Canadians?

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Frankly, I'm of the opinion that if you are a citizen of another country and you apply to become a Canadian citizen, you should have to renounce your citizenship of your former country.

You'd like China. They make anyone leaving the country renounce their citizenship, unless they are a government official, a diplomat, or rich.

[Canada 02]

I think the Conservatives need to be careful with policies that may be construed as hardline against immigrants (this is coming from a longtime PC/Alliance/Reform supporter)

It hasn't worked well down here for the GOP

[Daradon]

To be clear, I would hope that anyone stripped of their citizenship has been proven guilty with a fair trial. Not just under suspicion or tried under some weird third world laws.

[FlamesAddiction]

I think that if you don't live in Canada or pay taxes to Canada for over a certain number of years (like 5 or so), your citizenship should be suspended at least.

I remember a few years ago when Lebanonese Canadians, many of whom hadn't set foot in Canada for several years, started trying to invoke their Canadian rights and criticized the Canadian government for not evacuating them fast enough.

I think where you choose to live trumps what any piece of paper says.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I think that if you don't live in Canada or pay taxes to Canada for over a certain number of years (like 5 or so), your citizenship should be suspended at least.

I remember a few years ago when Lebanonese Canadians, many of whom hadn't set foot in Canada for several years, started trying to invoke their Canadian rights and criticized the Canadian government for not evacuating them fast enough.

I think where you choose to live trumps what any piece of paper says.

So someone who is born in Canada and goes to work in the US for 5 years should have their citizenship suspended?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by SebC

What happens if the the other country a person has citizenship in decides to pass a similar bill? It's kind of a can of worms...

As for dual citizenship, I have UK citizenship because I was born there. It gives me the right to move back and work there, if I chose. How does that harm you? Why would you want to take that away from me?

Its already happening.

Germany and the US among others I believe, are doing the same thing.

I think they are "grandfathering" in those that have dual already, but moving forward, you make your choice and thats it....from what i have been told personally by someone going through it right now.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I think that if you don't live in Canada or pay taxes to Canada for over a certain number of years (like 5 or so), your citizenship should be suspended at least.

I remember a few years ago when Lebanonese Canadians, many of whom hadn't set foot in Canada for several years, started trying to invoke their Canadian rights and criticized the Canadian government for not evacuating them fast enough.

I think where you choose to live trumps what any piece of paper says.

I think thats way over the top.

I was in the US for 10 years, but never became a citizen of the country....yet i should have lost my citizenship? Nevermind i would not have been allowed to carry my Canadian passport...thereby preventing me from ever being allowed back into Canada without a major hassle in court or something similar.

Awful idea.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by opendoor

So someone who is born in Canada and goes to work in the US for 5 years should have their citizenship suspended?

I think they should be summarily shot at the border.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by opendoor

So someone who is born in Canada and goes to work in the US for 5 years should have their citizenship suspended?

It basically is already, albeit temporarily. If you haven't paid taxes or lived in Canada for a certain length of time, you can't just come up to Canada and get your medical treatment for free, or go on welfare.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by opendoor

So someone who is born in Canada and goes to work in the US for 5 years should have their citizenship suspended?

If they are paying taxes to the U.S. and not to Canada, then absolutely.

I'm not saying that it should be hard to re-establish their citizenship if they decide to move back though. But why should our government and taxpayers be on the hook for protecting the rights of Canadians that choose not to be part of Canada for several years at a time?

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Wormius

It basically is already, albeit temporarily. If you haven't paid taxes or lived in Canada for a certain length of time, you can't just come up to Canada and get your medical treatment for free, or go on welfare.

That doesn't remove rights of citizenship though. Government paid medical care requires enrollment in government health plans which any legal resident of Canada can be part of.

The rights of Canadian citizens are never suspended due to an absence, nor should they be.

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

If they are paying taxes to the U.S. and not to Canada, then absolutely.

I'm not saying that it should be hard to re-establish their citizenship if they decide to move back though. But why should our government and taxpayers be on the hook for protecting the rights of Canadians that choose not to be part of Canada for several years at a time?

right now, you don't have to give up your citizenship (Thankfully), but if you do leave for an extended period of time have to declare their non-residency status. This includes selling your home, car, other property, closing you bank accounts, giving up your drivers license. You do this in order to avoid being taxed on your foreign income. You could keep your residency, but then you do pay taxes

by doing so, you give up certain rights as a Canadian, including the right to vote in provincial and municipal elections, and use of the social system (such as Alberta Health Care)

you do not give up your passport

[Canuck-Hater]

I don't think the government should have the right to do this based on suspicions. Convict first, then take away their citizenship.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

If they are paying taxes to the U.S. and not to Canada, then absolutely.

I'm not saying that it should be hard to re-establish their citizenship if they decide to move back though. But why should our government and taxpayers be on the hook for protecting the rights of Canadians that choose not to be part of Canada for several years at a time?

So what if you live and work in the US and a family member becomes ill? Should you have to re-apply for citizenship just to get back in to the country? What if you're living in the US on a green card; do you become a citizen of nowhere after a period of time? Should NHL players drafted by US teams lose their citizenship if they spend their careers there? That's asinine.

[Winsor_Pilates]

It can only be possible if this applies to all citizenships, not just immigrants.
Citizenships don't come with a A class & B class depending if you were born here.

How do you take away the citizenship of a born and raised Canadian with no other citizenship?

And if this goes through, I want to see every Canadian criminal of any skin colour booted in the name or terrorism for acts that can be seen that way.

Something tells me my definition of terrorism & citizen differ from Kenney's though.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by opendoor

So what if you live and work in the US and a family member becomes ill? Should you have to re-apply for citizenship just to get back in to the country? What if you're living in the US on a green card; do you become a citizen of nowhere after a period of time? Should NHL players drafted by US teams lose their citizenship if they spend their careers there? That's asinine.

You're acting as if only people with current Canadian citizenship are allowed into Canada. Thousands of non-citizens come to Canada every year.

I never said you couldn't come back.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Its already happening.

Germany and the US among others I believe, are doing the same thing.

I think they are "grandfathering" in those that have dual already, but moving forward, you make your choice and thats it....from what i have been told personally by someone going through it right now.

I was actually talking about what Kenney proposed - if a dual citizen commits an act of terrorism and both countries have laws allowing them to revoke that person's citizenship, it could create diplomatic issues.