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Heavy Jack · 02-03-2013, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

What a rape of a trade that was by Bowman.

(The Leddy trade)

Cam Barker never lived up to his billing, a really bad trade right now for Minny when you consider a Suter/Leddy pairing.

Ashasx · 02-03-2013, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

While I do agree he that he has yet to show the same kind of flash that he did as a junior and that he is a bit of a let down so far much like Luke he still did have a great showing in the playoffs last year and is a big-bodied center that could slot in as our top guy right now. If Iginla and Kipper get you a potential top 6 center, a top 5 D and a replacement #1 I think you at least have consider it.

No, I agree with you.

I'm just saying that Brayden Schenn shouldn't be the untouchable phenom the media (WJCs) has hyped him to be. If Iginla couldn't land value of Brayden Schenn, I really don't think the Flames benefit much from trading him.

Vinny01 · 02-03-2013, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

While I do agree he that he has yet to show the same kind of flash that he did as a junior and that he is a bit of a let down so far much like Luke he still did have a great showing in the playoffs last year and is a big-bodied center that could slot in as our top guy right now. If Iginla and Kipper get you a potential top 6 center, a top 5 D and a replacement #1 I think you at least have consider it.

I do the trade but do not take Bryz back. Just eat as much of Iggy and Kippers cap hit we can per the new cba

I also am not sure about both Iggy and Kipper for the Schenns I think we should get more in return and trade them separately

magicpixels · 02-03-2013, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

I do the trade but do not take Bryz back. Just eat as much of Iggy and Kippers cap hit we can per the new cba

I also am not sure about both Iggy and Kipper for the Schenns I think we should get more in return and trade them separately

I'd agree personally. There are teams with more to give that are in need of of a star goalie. I think the flames could chase Griffin Reinhart if the stars aligned. I dont think Nabokov is the answer for the Islanders. Snow is not a super intelligent GM so I could see us possibly working a deal.

$ven27 · 02-03-2013, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by magicpixels

I'd agree personally. There are teams with more to give that are in need of of a star goalie. I think the flames could chase Griffin Reinhart if the stars aligned. I dont think Nabokov is the answer for the Islanders. Snow is not a super intelligent GM so I could see us possibly working a deal.

I'd love Reinhart, however Kipper is only 1 year younger then Nabokov and he's been playing great for the Islanders so there's no way it would work.

Heavy Jack · 02-03-2013, 07:57 PM

I think if you look at possible spots for Kipper the following teams come to mind:

Washington -- Though their window to stay competitive this year is closing quickly
Chicago -- Crawford is playing lights out right now but I still think they would be interested in a year of Kipper
Philly -- Obviously though they aren't the most attractive destination to be dealing a goalie to as Ilya would automatically be part of the discussion

Really I think the Flames need to jump on dealing their stars while they can and should be actively shopping Kipper to contenders looking for a #1. I know we aren't out of the playoffs at all right now and it's still young in the season but I don't want to see the Flames stuck in 9th-12th limbo again with out dealing any of their assets for a 4th straight year.

moon · 02-03-2013, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by magicpixels

I'd agree personally. There are teams with more to give that are in need of of a star goalie. I think the flames could chase Griffin Reinhart if the stars aligned. I dont think Nabokov is the answer for the Islanders. Snow is not a super intelligent GM so I could see us possibly working a deal.

Doesn't Kipper have a NTC?

Can't see him waiving it to go to NYI.

Ashasx · 02-03-2013, 08:10 PM

Kipper's NTC expired during the summer.

Vinny01 · 02-03-2013, 08:16 PM

Do the deals at the deadline when apparently the sellers will outweigh the buyers. 10+ teams will bid on Iggy and 4-5 teams will want Kipper. Bouwmeester will also command a decent return if he keeps playing this way

Roof-Daddy · 02-03-2013, 08:23 PM

Question....and this is coming from a guy who had finally had about enough of Bouwmeester after the first couple games this season......but if he keeps playing like this under Hartley, and ends up finally being what we thought we were getting three years ago, do we want to trade him still?

It's not like he's old, 29 is pretty good age for a d-man, and if he is a legitimate #1 in Hartley's system it might be a good idea to hang on to him no?

moon · 02-03-2013, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Question....and this is coming from a guy who had finally had about enough of Bouwmeester after the first couple games this season......but if he keeps playing like this under Hartley, and ends up finally being what we thought we were getting three years ago, do we want to trade him still?

It's not like he's old, 29 is pretty good age for a d-man, and if he is a legitimate #1 in Hartley's system it might be a good idea to hang on to him no?

I would say that nobody over 25 should be untouchable and many under should be up for grabs as well but if he continues his play he certainly goes from a get the most you can to keep him if the offers aren't good enough.

Flash Walken · 02-03-2013, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Question....and this is coming from a guy who had finally had about enough of Bouwmeester after the first couple games this season......but if he keeps playing like this under Hartley, and ends up finally being what we thought we were getting three years ago, do we want to trade him still?

It's not like he's old, 29 is pretty good age for a d-man, and if he is a legitimate #1 in Hartley's system it might be a good idea to hang on to him no?

If bouwmeester, over the next 15 games to 20 games, plays himself back into league wide desirable first pairing defender, you absolutely move him. Same goes for Giordano.

You want to be on the good side of barker trades, you don't want to be the guy holding the bag when a player or contract starts to stink.

magicpixels · 02-03-2013, 09:09 PM

Nabokov hasn't really been good. If they had a Kipper that's posting his standard sub 2.50 numbers the Islanders are easily in the playoffs. Nabokov's numbers at the moment are just average at best. Problem is anybody right now looking to acquire kipper is doing so based upon last years numbers and not this years.

I really wouldn't trade JBO. Who are you going to find to replace a 25-30 minute a night guy? Right now it's nice to have three good guys that can play those 25 minutes for you. It gives you a nice foundation.

I really don't think trading Iggy and Kipper will hamstring us too much. There are other teams doing more with much less than we have.

If you overlay Iginla's goal production from the past 3 seasons and put it over this season he is likely to score 13 goals at the moment. I hate using numbers like that but its always worked against him on the early going in the season. I just cant see 13-15 goals being worth keeping him.

Sylvanfan · 02-03-2013, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

Do the deals at the deadline when apparently the sellers will outweigh the buyers. 10+ teams will bid on Iggy and 4-5 teams will want Kipper. Bouwmeester will also command a decent return if he keeps playing this way

Teams aren't trying to find starting goaltenders to get to the playoffs very often at the deadline. They're usually looking for backups as injury insurance. Dwayne Roloson and Cristobal Huet are the last two starters moved to contenders. I guess Theodore moved to Colorado back in 06 too. Non playoff teams looking for future answers like Ottawa with Anderson, and Dallas with Lehtonen are every bit as likely trade suitors.

Frequitude · 02-04-2013, 11:00 PM

This season is playing out perfect for a rebuild. We keep losing and we're exciting to watch.

kyuss275 · 02-05-2013, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

Do the deals at the deadline when apparently the sellers will outweigh the buyers. 10+ teams will bid on Iggy and 4-5 teams will want Kipper. Bouwmeester will also command a decent return if he keeps playing this way

I would not doubt that 10 + teams would want Iggy. The problem is, how many teams would be on Iggy's list to trade?

89revival · 03-22-2013, 03:12 PM

So.....month and a half later.....who's into this idea now? The team has performed pretty well exactly as i figured.....trade the aging assets? Or stay the dreadful course....