[PGT] Flames lose 6-3 vs Avs

[AC]

Cervenka has looked great so far. Can't wait to see him at 100%.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by AR_Six

I do not know of an English word that approximates the meaning.

I do: schadenfreude.

[MissTeeks]

@ChrisKuc: Look for Ray Emery to get the start in goal for #Blackhawks on Saturday night vs. Flames in Calgary.

[Mitch]

Tracey Myers ‏@TramyersCSN
For those asking about Emery, sounds like he's the guy tomorrow night vs. the Flames. #Blackhawks

This is good news, he was awful in his only showing this year. Crawford on the other hand...

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

WHAT?

Jiri I can't believe such a post came from your keyboard. .

You have to be pretty clueless to not realize that what the Flames have done in the last few years is the worst thing you can do - miss the playoffs...but barely.

But it is moreso based around the quality of player available at the high end of this year's draft, and the need for this organization to need a new centerpiece to move on from the Iginla/Kipper era.

That centerpiece will be available at the top of this year's draft.

All of a sudden you start to look ahead a few years and the future isn't as dim, as you start to drop in key pieces.

XX-Mackinnon-Sven
Gaudreau-Jankowski-XX
Arnold-Reinhart-XX
Bouma-Horak-XX

XX-Brodie
Sieloff-Wotherspoon (shutdown pair)
XX-XX

Ramo
Gillies/Broissot

I think pieces start to fall into place as long as some kids continue to develop.

I think the Flames can address one long-term need in this year's draft - either the elite centerman or #1 dman (Jones). They then need to find the other piece in next year's draft.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

You have to be pretty clueless to not realize that what the Flames have done in the last few years is the worst thing you can do - miss the playoffs...but barely.

But it is moreso based around the quality of player available at the high end of this year's draft, and the need for this organization to need a new centerpiece to move on from the Iginla/Kipper era.

That centerpiece will be available at the top of this year's draft.

All of a sudden you start to look ahead a few years and the future isn't as dim, as you start to drop in key pieces.

XX-Mackinnon-Sven
Gaudreau-Jankowski-XX
Arnold-Reinhart-XX
Bouma-Horak-XX

XX-Brodie
Sieloff-Wotherspoon (shutdown pair)
XX-XX

Ramo
Gillies/Broissot

I think pieces start to fall into place as long as some kids continue to develop.

I think the Flames can address one long-term need in this year's draft - either the elite centerman or #1 dman (Jones). They then need to find the other piece in next year's draft.

They can do a lot this season at the trade deadline (or before) as well. A quick sell-off this year could expedite things in a huge way (like Ottawa did a few years back, when they dealt Fisher and Kelly)

Standing pat and holding onto players on expiring contracts (especially Mr. Iginla) can't happen again...it just can't. As long as we get some proactive management this season, the turn around could end up being quite quick.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

They can do a lot this season at the trade deadline (or before) as well. A quick sell-off this year could expedite things in a huge way (like Ottawa did a few years back, when they dealt Fisher and Kelly)

Standing pat and holding onto players on expiring contracts (especially Mr. Iginla) can't happen again...it just can't. As long as we get some proactive management this season, the turn around could end up being quite quick.

lol

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

lol

...quite

[kehatch]

I agree. Look around the league. Washington, Philly, New York, and LA are all cup contending teams struggling with futures to spare.

How much do you think Philly would give for Bouwmeester? You don't think a team would give up something for Kipper? Iginla? Or Tanguay and his budget contract?

Even a guy like Cammalleri. His salary doesn't matter this season. There won't be many games left at the deadline and is is prorated. And he can be bought out this summer.

Plus we have the depth pieces a team wanting to go deep would want (Butler, Sarich, etc).

What if we traded Bouwmeester, Cammalleri, Tanguay, Iginla, Kipper, Sarich, Butler, Babchuk, and Jackman leading up to the deadline. You don't think that is going to accelerate a rebuild?

You trade those players for futures and pick top 5 this season and you are well on your way. The alternative is to continue to suck, and suck, and suck. Then lose all of those guys for nothing at the end of next season anyway.

[PuckFather]

Originally Posted by Chad_Flames

Look buddy I don't know if you have relatives that work for TSN or whatever and I don't care. You can parrot their talking points all you want. It's clear as day what the facts show and that's a bias against the Flames by TSN.

Let me break this down one more time.

1. TSN predicts that we will do terribly.
2. Next year we make some moves that should improve our rank.
3. TSN ranks us even worse.

Notice a problem between step 2 and 3? Yeah, thought so. They should predict us higher. At that point it doesn't even matter where we finish. Right from there you can see the bias against the Flames. Even when we theoretically improve.

That kind of stuff affects Vegas odds which you seem to hold so precious. Understand?

Dude, cause other teams make moves too, much better moves. We were not the only team that improved...looking at the standings, I don't know if we improved at all.

[dammage79]

Hudler and Cervenka are obvious improvements, Our secondary scoring was almost non existant or too streaky to really make an impact. Wideman for all his supposed shotcomings defensively has been the second best if not the best defenseman on the team so far. So our top four have improved as well. Not to mention Backlund and Stempniaks improvement or even Brodies continued development has had a positive impact on the team. The old guard are the ones who are not sustaining their end of the bargain and if they can the team on the whole will be markedly better than last seasons squad. Just kind of a tense moment right now with Kipper being so iffy.

I expected Iggy and Cammalleri to start off this slow on the scoresheet but Kippers start has been worrying.

I am all for tossing in the hat at the deadline if we are on the outside looking in (even by a couple points) but right now I am not so sure much is going to happen. And first round picks are going to be treated like platinum this year. Deep deep draft.

[return to the red]

Well at least I can say that over the last 2 games there have been some beautiful goals. When was the last time we, as fans, could say "holy hell that was a beauty"?

As frustrating as it was to go down 4-3 with 2 minutes left it has been a very long time where I actually thought the Flames might be able to pot one to tie it up. Unfortunately we all know what happened next but that doesn't take away from the feeling that I thought they may be able to overcome it.

I may be in the minority but I see this team as a whole, much improved and much more exciting then previous years teams.

[Kaine]

Originally Posted by AR_Six

Not really - I tend to get my hockey fix out of good hockey games rather than hockey games my team is in. For example, the Sabres / Bruins last night was more fun to watch for me than most Canucks games are, win or lose. So even if they're bad I can get my fix somewhere else. As far as the rest of the fanbase goes, the last time the team was really bad was over a decade ago and I would have been in high school. I don't really remember remarking on the behaviour of the fanbase.

Did you even read what I wrote? What I'm talking about is not whether people cheer harder when they're winning. I'm talking about people not being able to satisfy themselves watching their own team and having to derive their hockey enjoyment elsewhere - namely by cheering against teams they hate. The longer and more significant the malaise, the more this gains steam and the fans become more concerned with the misfortunes of teams they don't like than the fortunes of their own team (which are too depressing to be worth it).

I find TONS of examples of my theory here precisely BECAUSE this is a message board and no one feels any need to tone down ire or bile on the internet generally regardless of the topic of discussion.

So basically you are basing your theory on the fact that hardcore fans get very worked up when their team is not doing well and doesn't "tone down bile" or something of the sort? Based on your last statement this seems to be the case no?

I find Flames hockey just as enjoyable when they lose, sure it's not as much fun in the sense that everyone wants their team to win the cup but it's hockey all the same, short of the team turning into an Olympic team of divers like the Canucks I'll cheer for this team win or lose, what is this nonsense about "how long will they derive enjoyment"?

I'll also go out on a limb and say that the vast majority of fans that post here find this Flames hockey much more enjoyable than the past few seasons under Brent. Honestly if people kept watching Flames hockey and enjoyed it then, this new system is significantly more entertaining. What does the other point you are trying to make even mean? Seriously? When do fans take to cheering against their rivals? I hate to say it but in just about any sport and every team, most fans HATE their rivals and cheer for anyone playing against them. How your own team is doing has no bearing on this. Seriously what exactly are you trying to get at? I ALWAYS enjoy seeing the Coilers or Divers lose, how the Flames are doing makes no impact on that. Are you suggesting it does?

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by return to the red

well at least i can say that over the last 2 games there have been some beautiful goals. When was the last time we, as fans, could say "holy hell that was a beauty"?

2008?

[Badgers Nose]

I really enjoyed Hudler's play, again.

He really is an excellent player, and he seems to relish the opportunity to prove he is a top 6 player. He makes Stajan better which is an awesome bonus.

Regarding the loss: oh well. They had a few very bad minutes. I don't think they are much better than what they showed.

I felt bad for Hartley, I have never seen that expression on a couch before. Serious WTF look after the 6th CO goal.

[return to the red]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

2008?

I see what you did there

[skcli]

The wtf look also implied on the first old lines

[Igster]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

I felt bad for Hartley, I have never seen that expression on a couch before. Serious WTF look after the 6th CO goal.

Couches rarely give looks, but when they do, it's time for a new one...

[Barnet Flame]

Just watched the game on GCL. Real beauty and the beast stuff. Two of our goals were beautiful to watch and were pure highlight reel material.

Our defence and Kipper's goaltending - beastly. Five goals off 20 shots, and that PP goal was brutal. I'd say, stick Irving in net, but Christ, its the Blackhawks next - Kipper just has to get it together.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

You have to be pretty clueless to not realize that what the Flames have done in the last few years is the worst thing you can do - miss the playoffs...but barely.

But it is moreso based around the quality of player available at the high end of this year's draft, and the need for this organization to need a new centerpiece to move on from the Iginla/Kipper era.

That centerpiece will be available at the top of this year's draft.

All of a sudden you start to look ahead a few years and the future isn't as dim, as you start to drop in key pieces.

XX-Mackinnon-Sven
Gaudreau-Jankowski-XX
Arnold-Reinhart-XX
Bouma-Horak-XX

XX-Brodie
Sieloff-Wotherspoon (shutdown pair)
XX-XX

Ramo
Gillies/Broissot

I think pieces start to fall into place as long as some kids continue to develop.

I think the Flames can address one long-term need in this year's draft - either the elite centerman or #1 dman (Jones). They then need to find the other piece in next year's draft.

Eric Duhatschek on 960 this afternoon said that he believes there will be only a small handfull of teams out of it by the deadline due to the abbreviated schedule and that there may me much more buyers than sellers. Said if the Flames lose another few games and win maybe 2 of the first 10 and plod along after that they could capitalize on a big sellers market if they choose. Would be a great draft to pick up multiple picks in the first two rounds and end up with a good quantity of quality young players. Just the type of springboard this franchise could use to accelerate the rebuilding.