[PGT] Flames lose 6-3 vs Avs

[zamler]

Ownership must be intentionally letting the team tank in anticipation of a full rebuilt, just won't admit it.

Originally Posted by nik-

OK this overtime call with Mike and Pat is really creepy.

Very.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by nik-

OK this overtime call with Mike and Pat is really creepy.

Pat keeps his callers on way too long. Pat's a good dude, but there's good radio and bad radio and Pat keeping on Mike or callers like him is bad radio.

It's on the call screener as well. That Mike guy should not be getting on the air, he adds nothing to the show. But if he does get thru, Pat should be dropping the call as soon as possible.

just my two cents.

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

I'm not on vacation Beers, it's been a total of 5 games since the prior 246 of Sutter's boring hockey. At least this is more exciting hockey and the team didn't lose 1-0.

5 games man. Give Hartley 246 and then it's a fair comparison.

How many games does Bob get when this team finishes under .500 this year? Does that cutdown on the number of games that Bob gets. \

Flames have 20 home games left, assuming they go 12-11 on their remaining road games, they only have to go 13-7 at home to match what Sutter did.

Exciting hockey is winning hockey, that is the only type of hockey that is exciting. This hockey is what my buddies in Edmonton who are STH up there had to watch the last couple years, a few goals from the home team to make you feel good about life.

[moon]

6-0?

Those guys come out with told you so's and Feasters moves were great anytime the Flames successfully complete a line change.

[CGY12]

resign Cervenka right now

[kehatch]

This team losing doesn't validate Sutter as a coach. The only way he gets validated as a coach is if he picks up another NHL team and proves he is a winner.

IMO he was a crappy coach of a crappy team. The team continuing to be a crappy team doesn't tell you anything about Sutter's coaching.

[vektor]

I think that Mike guy is some how associated with the team. In a 'special' help kinda way, why Pat was talking like that to him.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

How many games does Bob get when this team finishes under .500 this year? Does that cutdown on the number of games that Bob gets. \

Flames have 20 home games left, assuming they go 12-11 on their remaining road games, they only have to go 13-7 at home to match what Sutter did.

Whatever man. When the dust settles after the season, I will gracefully donate the $20 I said I would if the Flames don't get 54 points. (or whatever you prorated the short season)

If Calgary makes the playoffs I am going to make sure you are posting. Again, it's been 5 games. The Flames lost 9 in a row under Brent.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by moon

6-0?

Those guys come out with told you so's and Feasters moves were great anytime the Flames successfully complete a line change.

Did you write that in binary?

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by CGY12

resign Cervenka right now

He's playing great are you crazy!? Retire after 2 NHL games?

[kehatch]

Anyone else concerned that Iginla, Tanguay, Stempniak, and Glencross dominated the ice time while Backlund, Cervenka, Hudler, Stajan, and Backlund scrambled for left overs?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by kehatch

Anyone else concerned that Iginla, Tanguay, Stempniak, and Glencross dominated the ice time while Backlund, Cervenka, Hudler, Stajan, and Backlund scrambled for left overs?

Yes, but Hartley will ride them until they produce or get traded. And at this juncture, cannot afford to do either. Sadly I think Hartley is in a lose lose situation until those four guys get going. Only one out of the first group that should get ice time is Stempniak, Only because he has had a hot hand.

I sunderstand that Cervenkas line has a ton of mojo going right now but Obviously Cervenka can handle the center spot so why not move tangs back to the wing and spread the love around? And Glencross really really needs to be on the third line. Like that he has been okay on the top line but come one. we have the fire power now to move him where he is best suited.

[vektor]

There are far worse players on this team than Iginla. If everyone played like him we'd be fine. It's the Butler's, the Comeau's of this team dragging us down. Iginla is playing just fine, focus on the goalie that let in 3 of 13. Look at his save % this year .854.

He's 53/60th in the league. 53rd.....

[Anduril]

Originally Posted by kehatch

Anyone else concerned that Iginla, Tanguay, Stempniak, and Glencross dominated the ice time while Backlund, Cervenka, Hudler, Stajan, and Backlund scrambled for left overs?

Its been like this for a while. Speaking of Backlund and Backlund, they both missed a good chance each

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Whatever man. When the dust settles after the season, I will gracefully donate the $20 I said I would if the Flames don't get 54 points. (or whatever you prorated the short season)

If Calgary makes the playoffs I am going to make sure you are posting. Again, it's been 5 games. The Flames lost 9 in a row under Brent.

In this season's playoff drive, that's equivalent. We have to play at a 105 point pace for the rest of the season to make it now. Do you see that happening? Are we a 105 pt team this year? The hole we've dug is too deep already

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

In this season's playoff drive, that's equivalent. We have to play at a 105 point pace for the rest of the season to make it now. Do you see that happening? Are we a 105 pt tram this year? The hole we've dug is too deep already

I hope it happens, but I don't care if it doesn't. The Flames are closing in on nearly 100 new players in 4 seasons and I've never been the guy who said don't trade Iginla or Kiprusoff.

There are reasons to be excited about the upcoming seasons. More turnover is going to take place. Even more of the recent draft picks will start making the team.

Being critical of the Flames or supporting them no matter what is fine in either case. I just don't believe in being "realistically" pessimistic either. It's tough to debate the uptempo hockey is less entertaining.

[Meers]

Originally Posted by vektor

Iginla is playing just fine, focus on the goalie that let in 3 of 13. Look at his save % this year .854.

He's 53/60th in the league. 53rd.....

Well, #4 is available. And all it will cost the Flames is their first rounder, Sven, Gio . . . and the last remnants of any semblance of manhood in Calgary.

Sheesh. What a disappointing loss. This is what a last place team looks like.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

In this season's playoff drive, that's equivalent. We have to play at a 105 point pace for the rest of the season to make it now. Do you see that happening? Are we a 105 pt team this year? The hole we've dug is too deep already

I disagree with this. Granted, the shortened season certainly reduces the time and space allowable for teams to make mistakes, but by the same token, it is also that much easier to correct what might be relatively construed as an insurmountable hole. While the Flames have played +10% of the regular season and are currently at the bottom of the Western Conference, they are also five points out of a playoff spot with a game in hand.

I'm not predicting that the team will get there, but I certainly do not think that it is an impossibility by any stretch of the imagination. The fact of the matter is that even marginal teams can string together a 105-point pace for stretches of games, and in a shortened season these sorts of anomalies do create possibilities for even a team like the Flames to make the playoffs.

[Mr.Coffee]

I love how now everybody is jumping aboard the trade Iggy train. My lord people, what do you think we'll get for him now? That ship sailed 2 seasons ago when only a handful of people on here were calling a spade a spade and getting chirped for it. Maximizing assets when they're about to bullet train into the sunset of their careers? That's not when you do it. And Iginla was playing lazy and disinterested 2 years ago. Iginla's value is not very good, particularly considering the guy is a UFA and would only be a rental. Trading Iginla at this juncture would be likely be a mistake, but it'll depend on Feaster's confidence in his ability to re-sign him by trade deadline day (which isn't far away).

A good GM would have shipped his ass two years ago though, as many on here were calling for.

The leadership on this team is terrible.

And for the people calling out Hartley's run and gun system, I suspect it requires full throttle effort. Something this team is completely incapable of delivering.

Inconsistency and a lack of desire colour this team's play on the ice, but I do enjoy this season far more than last, and I do enjoy watching a more upbeat tempo than boring crappy Sutter hockey.

If you're like me, you're fine with tonight, because you kind of knew that the playoffs were a long shot. There was a chance the playoffs might have been in the picture, but with an injured Baertschi, a coach that clearly relies on lazy vets (this is admittedly disappointing) and then a leadership core that is lazy and disinterested, what did we all expect?

I'm okay with losing, as long as we lose hard. I'm okay with picking 1st or 2nd, luckily we seem like we may be negotiating our way into that type of territory.

It feels like the future of the Flames sans Iginla is close, and I really can't wait. The team needs to move on and it will. It will be exciting and eventually this thing will turn around when it happens.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Wow. What a meltdown here. Same song and dance from the same naysayers and doomsday prophets. Please have some perspective.

First game back after a few days off. The team outplayed the Avs, just lost by having a handful of incredibly awful breakdowns. That has always been the problem. Attention to detail.

The notion that Hartley is having the team play run and gun does not
- put a weak backhand through Kipper's 5 hole
- cause Sarich to turn the puck over then the Butler/Stajan/Sarich combo to break down behind the net and leave the guy in the slot wide open
- make Bouw whiff on the game winner and let the Av walk out

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Flames tied for last overall, come to daddy Nate!

Hope this is a joke. 1-2 points behind a bunch of teams with 2-3 games in hand. It is like when everyone was talking about the Flames getting into a playoff seed a couple of years back when they were one point up when the next team had 4 games in hand.

Originally Posted by Red-Mile-DJ

I'm still trying to understand WHY you would pull your goaltender, when you're already down by 2 with less than a minute remaining.

He still doesn't accept that they are out of it. If they score, they are back in it. This will require puck possession. If they don't have the puck, they weren't going to score. 6 guys gives you a better chance than 5. All in.

Originally Posted by Redrum

I don't think I've seen such a misleading final score ever. I didn't feel like the Avs were really a threat to win at any point in this game. I guess somebody wins the lottery every once in a while.

^^ Agree 100%

Originally Posted by sworkhard

Iggy's been playing really well so far this season, but hasn't been able to score. He's been moving his feet, winning faceoffs, and getting chances, but they haven't been going in. He's been extremely unlucky to not have a few goals already.

Agree with that as well

Originally Posted by Kool Keef

The only paper this team looks good on is toilet paper.

That is marvelous.

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

It's not sugar coating when you use facts. Flames had more shots, chances and control of the play. They had more hits, more takeaways. They easily could have won this. How do you debate facts?
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It was there in the third period for the taking, it's not as bad a loss as you're making it out to be.

^^ Yup

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

The usual culprits Bouwmeester and Stajan have pulled up their socks and have come to play.

They are both making the most of their opportunities. The coach is giving Stajan a chance and he is responding, as he delivered last year when Brent grudgingly gave him top line duties. Bouw has been more assertive. But the problem with Bouw is not what he does right (he does a lot right), but his lapses. Such as....

Originally Posted by J-bo09

Just watched the replay...That fan by bouw to get the puck on the PP with 2 mins to go was brutal.

^^^ This. That was the game winner.

Kipper can't let in the 2nd goal 5 hole. But at the point that it is tied with just a couple of minutes left, Bouw can't whiff and let the guy walk out front. And too little too late, but Kipper did make a heck of a save on a breakaway, then got a piece of the 5th goal with his blocker, with some great lateral movement.

The guys have found a way to put together too many losses. Lapses can be identified and often fixed by a sharp coach. It is only 5 games in. The sky is not falling.