Give Irving the next few starts

[gargamel]

Kipper hasn't been good enough through 5 games, but, other than tonight's awful performance, he hasn't been bad enough to give any indication that we'd have a better chance of winning with a 3rd string AHL goalie.

As Kipper goes, so goes the team, so we need to give him a chance to play himself into form for at least half the season. If he's better by then, we'll have a chance, and if he's not, there will be plenty of time to give other guys auditions.

[Stay Golden]

Av is laying on Kipper and nobody did anything about it. Terrible, nothing physical about this bunch.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Kipper has been run in the first 4 games and his team has not stood up for him.

Why should he be expected to carry the team when they don't give him the space and support to do his job?

That has exactly nothing to do with anything. When the guy can't catch a puck from a simple wrist shot without a screen on multiple occasions, there's something wrong with the goalie.

The manner in which he's having difficulties are more than just rust, there was 5 pucks tonight that he got just enough of to send it just wide barely in addition to the stinkers that he let in. When you're looking at only stopping 1/2 the shots cleanishly, and the other half are lucky they didn't go in or they go in, you're not doing well at all. It's probably the worst performances I've seen in the Flames net since Dany Sabourin, who if you raised the puck over his pads it'd go in.

[browna]

One bad goal one iffy goal and then lazy and weak play by defenders not clearing the puck effectively on the first and 4th goals. Toss is a bad penalty call to boot. A couple tough saves as well but those are not of the spectacular kind and are taken for granted, and so no credit given there.

Unconcerned, the man has been a rock for a decade here. In 2007 he was supposedly done and then again 2009 and 2010. Plus, there's always some schmuk that signs up on here to proclaim the end of Kirpusoff and he's always been the last person to worry about.

The Flames get that power play goal late in the third or maybe Backlund at least hits the net on one of his 3 clear cut chances in the third and the Flames win and his bad deal is overshadowed by poor attention to detail by the Flames.

[SebC]

So... would you say that Kipper is killing us?

Kipper's been bad, but I've never had much confidence in Irving either.

[Stay Golden]

Kipper it didn't matter the frenzy or bad defence yoou always had a good feeling thank God at least there is Kipper to save the day.
So far this season he has not given me that same vibe.

[Winsor_Pilates]

People should be more on the the management as well for failing to have a qualified backup for so many years now.

Every goalie, even Brodeur needs a decent backup to keep them on their toes and give the team a chance for points on their nights off. The Flames have failed miserably at this for years and it has cost us playoff spots.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by SebC

So... would you say that Kipper is killing us?

Kipper's been bad, but I've never had much confidence in Irving either.

Irving is not going to help. He isn't even the best goalie from the Heat.

[return to the red]

some stats that my cousin brought to my attention

thus far Flames are:
3rd in shots against
8th in shots for
tied for 29th in the league
and of 43 goalies to play a game this year Kipper is 41 in save percentage

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by The Big Thirsty

We currently have the worst goalie in the NHL. This isn't even debatable anymore.

It's not debatable because it's a ridiculous statement.

[The Big Thirsty]

Originally Posted by browna

One bad goal one iffy goal and then lazy and weak play by defenders not clearing the puck effectively on the first and 4th goals. Toss is a bad penalty call to boot. A couple tough saves as well but those are not of the spectacular kind and are taken for granted, and so no credit given there.

Unconcerned, the man has been a rock for a decade here. In 2007 he was supposedly done and then again 2009 and 2010. Plus, there's always some schmuk that signs up on here to proclaim the end of Kirpusoff and he's always been the last person to worry about.

The Flames get that power play goal late in the third or maybe Backlund at least hits the net on one of his 3 clear cut chances in the third and the Flames win and his bad deal is overshadowed by poor attention to detail by the Flames.

So basically, unless the Flames play perfect defence and the pucks hit him the crest, or the Flames bury every single one of their chances, one of the highest paid goalies in the league shouldn't be expected to make a save....... right

I don't know what decade of hockey you've been watching, but for the past 10 years Kipper has been above average for 3 maybe 4 seasons. The remainder he's been average with a few stinkers.

[JazzyFlame]

Kipper cost us the game single handedly

Crap play against deadminton

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Table 5

It's not debatable because it's a ridiculous statement.

Statistically, it is accurate. Defense reflects on it too but straight up the worst goaltending in the league right now. Never would I have EVER thought I would be saying this with Kipper in net.....




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2012-2013 - Regular Season - Goaltender - Summary - Goals Against
Player Team GP GS W L OT SA GA GAA Sv Sv% SO G A PIM TOI
31-60 of 60 results.1 | 2
31 Antti Niemi SJS 5 5 5 0 0 150 10 1.97 140 .933 0 0 0 0 304:23
32 Carey Price MTL 5 5 4 1 0 131 10 1.98 121 .924 0 0 0 0 302:57
33 Mike Smith PHX 3 3 0 2 0 61 10 4.62 51 .836 0 0 0 0 129:53
34 Braden Holtby WSH 2 2 0 2 0 73 10 5.04 63 .863 0 0 0 0 119:10
35 Corey Crawford CHI 6 6 5 0 1 159 11 1.79 148 .931 0 0 0 0 369:04
36 Marc-Andre Fleury PIT 4 4 2 2 0 100 11 2.95 89 .890 0 0 0 0 224:28
37 Cory Schneider VAN 4 4 2 2 0 107 11 3.13 96 .897 1 0 0 0 211:12
38 Steve Mason CBJ 4 3 0 3 0 105 11 2.97 94 .895 0 0 0 0 222:13
39 Martin Brodeur NJD 5 5 3 0 2 138 12 2.32 126 .913 1 0 0 0 310:36
40 Niklas Backstrom MIN 5 4 3 1 1 134 12 2.40 122 .910 0 0 0 0 299:32
41 James Reimer TOR 5 4 3 1 0 133 12 2.80 121 .910 0 0 0 0 257:29
42 Ilya Bryzgalov PHI 6 6 2 4 0 170 13 2.19 157 .924 0 0 1 0 356:28
43 Kari Lehtonen DAL 6 5 2 2 1 176 13 2.58 163 .926 0 0 0 0 302:10
44 Sergei Bobrovsky CBJ 5 5 2 2 1 140 13 2.97 127 .907 0 0 0 0 262:59
45 Anders Lindback TBL 5 5 4 1 0 163 14 2.80 149 .914 0 0 0 0 299:36
46 Jonathan Quick LAK 5 5 2 2 1 148 14 2.75 134 .905 0 0 0 0 304:34
47 Jonas Hiller ANA 4 4 2 1 1 106 14 3.43 92 .868 0 0 0 0 244:57
48 Pekka Rinne NSH 5 5 0 2 3 138 14 2.68 124 .899 0 0 1 0 314:22
49 Tuukka Rask BOS 6 6 4 1 1 164 15 2.44 149 .909 0 0 0 0 368:32
50 Devan Dubnyk EDM 6 6 4 2 0 178 15 2.74 163 .916 0 0 0 0 327:40
51 Semyon Varlamov COL 6 6 2 4 0 172 15 2.66 157 .913 1 0 0 0 337:42
52 Michal Neuvirth WSH 5 5 1 3 1 148 15 2.97 133 .899 0 0 0 0 302:34
53 Cam Ward CAR 4 4 1 3 0 108 15 4.50 93 .861 0 0 0 0 199:34
54 Ryan Miller BUF 6 6 3 2 1 201 16 2.64 185 .920 0 0 0 0 363:18
55 Jimmy Howard DET 6 6 3 2 1 172 16 2.77 156 .907 0 0 0 0 347:03
56 Henrik Lundqvist NYR 7 7 3 4 0 187 18 2.78 169 .904 0 0 0 0 387:42
57 Ondrej Pavelec WPG 6 6 2 3 1 192 18 2.97 174 .906 0 0 0 0 363:37
58 Jose Theodore FLA 6 6 2 4 0 182 18 3.39 164 .901 0 0 0 0 318:42
59 Evgeni Nabokov NYI 6 6 4 1 1 202 19 3.14 183 .906 0 0 2 2 362:47
60 Miikka Kiprusoff CGY 5 5 1 3 1 130 19 3.76 111 .854 0 0 1 0 303:26

Dont even think he cracks the top thirty in ANY category

[The Big Thirsty]

Originally Posted by Table 5

It's not debatable because it's a ridiculous statement.

Take off your pom poms and tell me who CURRENTLY in this NHL has a worse starting goaltender than the Flames do. You may be able to name me 1 or 2 who are just as bad, but you cannot name me one who is CURRENTLY playing worse.

GP W L OT GA SA SV SV% GAA SO PIM MIN
REGULAR SEASON 5 1 3 1 19 130 111 .854 3.76 0 0 303

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Kipper has to work his way thru this. Let him play Saturday and in Detroit. If he hasn't shaken off this rust, Leland starts in Columbus. If he has got his groove back, you keep him in until the next back to back, which is in 17 days.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by The Big Thirsty

Take off your poms poms and tell me who CURRENTLY in this NHL has a worse starting goaltender than the Flames do. You may be able to name me 1 or 2 who are just as bad, but you cannot name me one who is CURRENTLY playing worse.

GP W L OT GA SA SV SV% GAA SO PIM MIN
REGULAR SEASON 5 1 3 1 19 130 111 .854 3.76 0 0 303

Small sample size man. Kipper's body of work and resume gives him the edge over plenty of goalies in the league. Come on. Let's be real here.

You going to take Reimer over Kipper?

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by The Big Thirsty

Take off your pom poms and tell me who CURRENTLY in this NHL has a worse starting goaltender than the Flames do. You may be able to name me 1 or 2 who are just as bad, but you cannot name me one who is CURRENTLY playing worse.

Stop the hissy fit and calm down.

Yeah, he crapped the bed today and hasn't been his best so far this season, but it's a giant stretch to call him the worst goalie in the league. Everyone and their mom knows the guy will bounce back. Funny how the guy who everyone thinks has been masking the Flames terribleness the last few years suddenly now becomes the worst goalie in the league based on 5 games. Talk about over-reaction.

Btw, which returning banned poster are you?

[The Big Thirsty]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

Small sample size man. Kipper's body of work and resume gives him the edge over plenty of goalies in the league. Come on. Let's be real here.

You going to take Reimer over Kipper?

It's not a small sample size though. Until Last year's anamoly, Kippe's stats had been diving at alarming rate each season since 2007. Take a look over at nhl.com

I wouldn't take Reimer just yet, but ask me this time next week and I may have a different answer.

[The Big Thirsty]

Originally Posted by Table 5

Stop the hissy fit and calm down.

Yeah, he crapped the bed today and hasn't been his best so far this season, but it's a giant stretch to call him the worst goalie in the league. Everyone and their mom knows the guy will bounce back. Funny how the guy who everyone thinks has been masking the Flames terribleness the last few years suddenly now becomes the worst goalie in the league based on 5 games. Talk about over-reaction.

Btw, which returning banned poster are you?

So because someone makes a statistically accurate comment that you call "ridiculous" and get called on, they must be some banned poster?

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by The Big Thirsty

It's not a small sample size though. Until Last year's anamoly, Kippe's stats had been diving at alarming rate each season since 2007. Take a look over on NHL.com

Maybe you should have a look at his stats before spewing out garbage like this.

2 of the last 3 seasons, his GAA has been 2.35 or better and save percentage was .920 in 2 of the last 3 seasons as well. And this is on a pretty poor team that missed the playoffs. The guy can still play the game.

Get your facts straight.