Three Years Ago Today: The Dion goes to TO

[bubbsy]

Wish we didn't have to remember this like an anniversary

In my opinion, this single trade screwed the franchise in remaining competitive or being able to turn it around quickly.

Taking an asset and getting back stajan, white, hagman, mayers (orwhatever 4th liners, 3rd pairing dmen they resulted in) down right idiotic. I refuse to believe phanuef's stock had fallen so low at that point where this is all that could expected in the return. Hearing GMs state they weren't even aware he was available is even more painful.

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The aftermath of that trade on both teams' current roster after the dust's settled & 3 years passed:


Calgary:
Stajan, Babchuk


Toronto:
Phaneuf, Ashton (AHL)


So in the end, yawn.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Oh Jiri. You actually went back just to make that post. Good on you sparing no expense to take a dig at me. I was still right that day and that bothers you.

It's been a long time since we've gone at it - don't you miss it even just a little bit. We've been far to agreeable lately. I miss the days when you would threaten to get out of your car.

[automaton 3]

Originally Posted by boggledepot

I was unhappy when Dion Phaneuf was traded, but now I'm indifferent. I'm happy he is the captain of the Leafs, but I am relieved he is no Denis Potvin. I'm not surprised that trade gets all the attention and is viewed as the worst. The truth is the real bad trade, not-to-mention the strangest was Olli Jokinen and Brandon Prust for Chris Higgins and Ales Kotalik.

This pretty much sums it up for me. The Phaneuf trade hurt and I thought that it wasn't enough of a return, but I could at least understand where Sutter was trying to go with it.

The Jokinen/Prust trade was (and still is) a horrible trade.

[Buster]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Are you?

You can't go in threads and drop vague hints all over the place and try and act as if you know anything more than anyone else in here. If you actually know something, tell us what it is and how you know it to be true, otherwise, you're just another guy on the internet repeating rumours. Yes, rumours.

I find semantic debates tiresome. And unless anything has changed here in recent years, the admin take a dim view of referencing the events directly. the admin tolerate nothing more than vague hints. I don't blame them.

As for information we have what we have, and I doubt after all this time anyone really is interested in being convinced one way or the other. It wasn't my intention to make a case to legitimize the rumours. It would be a logical fallacy, however, to say that just because no one is willing to prove a rumour that it is a lie.

[SeeGeeWhy]

I think Burke did Sutter a personal favour by agreeing to that trade. Both teams lost on the ice, and both GMs suffered losses in their reputations for it.

Sutter, as gruff a guy he was (is?), always seemed to give guys another shot and was a big time gambler. He tried to do well for every player in that trade.

Yeah I'm upset the Flames didn't get more, but I imagine things would have been worse if DP stayed in town.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by SeeGeeWhy

I think Burke did Sutter a personal favour by agreeing to that trade. Both teams lost on the ice, and both GMs suffered losses in their reputations for it.

Sutter, as gruff a guy he was (is?), always seemed to give guys another shot and was a big time gambler. He tried to do well for every player in that trade.

Yeah I'm upset the Flames didn't get more, but I imagine things would have been worse if DP stayed in town.

Is that even possible? We haven't seen playoff time since he left, and we've be stuck in the no mans land of playoff rejcts each year. Not sure how it could actually be worse?

[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by JazzyFlame

or could've had:

Phaneuf - Regher
Jbo - Wideman
Gio - Brodie

Yeah, if you wanted around $27 M tied up on the backend I guess.

I, like others agree it was probably time for Dion to go, but damn that was a brutal return and we still have to watch Matt Stajan.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

We're going on that unexpected eruption again this year!

For some reason, that sounds a lot better when you say it!

[dammage79]

I will take "Who Cares!" for $1500 Alex.

It was Sutter, it was done, move on.





EDIT: Fixed for game show inaccuracy .

[Change of Heart]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I will take "Who Cares!" for $2500 Alex.

It was Sutter, it was done, move on.

they don't have a $2500 category

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Change of Heart

they don't have a $2500 category

Thought that was the highest in Double Jeopardy? Or is it $1500?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by SeeGeeWhy

I think Burke did Sutter a personal favour by agreeing to that trade. Both teams lost on the ice, and both GMs suffered losses in their reputations for it.

Sutter, as gruff a guy he was (is?), always seemed to give guys another shot and was a big time gambler. He tried to do well for every player in that trade.

Yeah I'm upset the Flames didn't get more, but I imagine things would have been worse if DP stayed in town.

How much worse? Erik Gudbranson worse? Mikael Granlund worse? Tyler Seguin worse?

[Change of Heart]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Thought that was the highest in Double Jeopardy? Or is it $1500?

yes its $ 1500

[Change of Heart]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

How much worse? Erik Gudbranson worse? Mikael Granlund worse? Tyler Seguin worse?

well those guys suck

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Change of Heart

well those guys suck

They're no Mayers, White and Hagman, that's for sure.

[Change of Heart]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

They're no Mayers, White and Hagman, that's for sure.

exactly man

[robaur]

Originally Posted by moon

You're right I am sure the Islander fans are thrilled they got Robert Nillson and not Parise. The Kings must think it is awesome how they rode Brian Boyle and Jeff Tambellini to the Cup win last year and let their rivals get Corey Perry.

Can't think how the Panther fans could be pissed that they ended up with Nathan Horton at number 3 while ignoring bums such as Getzlf, Perry, Richards, Carter, Parise. And could you imagine how pissed they would have been if their GM had picked a guy like Perry or Erikson with their 2nd pick instead of Anthony Stewart?

Oilers fans might have been last 7 years in a row if it weren't for Marc-Andre Pouliot carrying them all those years.

And of course the top choice of them all, can't think any Rangers fan could think that their GM screwed up by getting Hugh Jessiman and his 2 NHL games at 15. What a steal!!!!!

All the Flames got was a pathetic 4 seasons of 47+ points from their defenseman, so great hits, a Calder and Norris nomination and some of the most exciting plays overall during his time as a Flame.

Clearly it was only Sutter that screwed that draft up.

Bravo Moon! I can't believe I am saying this but I agree!

[boggledepot]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Wish we didn't have to remember this like an anniversary

In my opinion, this single trade screwed the franchise in remaining competitive or being able to turn it around quickly.

Taking an asset and getting back stajan, white, hagman, mayers (orwhatever 4th liners, 3rd pairing dmen they resulted in) down right idiotic. I refuse to believe phanuef's stock had fallen so low at that point where this is all that could expected in the return. Hearing GMs state they weren't even aware he was available is even more painful.

I think part of the reason Dion Phaneuf being traded has no impact on me is because this isn't true. I understand why he was considered the super sexy player; he scored and hit harder than anybody. But by the time he was traded, everybody knew what he was about. With his skill-set (which isn't bad) and his contract, Calgary was not going to get a bundle.

Sadly, you couldn't have traded him when he had a super high value. The Flames had a player who only had be more sound with his positioning, and improve his passing, and they might have had the best defenseman in the league. Brent Sutter man... he was determined and believed Dion Phaneuf (and he should because that is like his very own child) could become the best. It just didn't happen. Shaq couldn't hit free throws. He accepts it now saying he wasn't born with it. Shaq was born with the physical attributes to be the most dominating player in his sport, but was never able to do something a novice can acquire. Ironic ehh?

No disrespect to Dion, but I played better positional defense when I was in atom than him. I had to. I wasn't bigger, stronger, faster, than anybody; I learned to adapt. But that's a bigger skill set than anything else: what do you do when you encounter a player who is better and more talented than you?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Phaneuf - Regher first pairing would be a disaster.
Regher's game has gone down since the new rules were enforced. Buffalo isn't happy with him either.

When Ryan Miller is off just a little bit, the Sabres don't win.

Regher was an elite shut down #1 for the first six years of the lockout. He had no issue whatsoever adjusting to the new rules, and he would often take Gaborik out of a game completely on his own.

Like dion, his major downfall appears to have been significant leg injuries. Which aren't either of their faults; if Dion could still skate like he could in 2008, he'd still be a Flame. Ditto regher.