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valo403 · 01-31-2013, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Muta

Atlanta never got the same chances Phoenix is getting. Just over and over, repeatedly, are the attempts at keeping the team there. Pathetic.

Move this stupid ass team already. And no, I don't feel sorry for their fans one bit. Maybe they should have showed up more to games over the years. Give this franchise to a city that will embrace it.

Hell, Regina or Saskatoon would have more success.

Nobody wanted to own a team in Atlanta and there wasn't a bankruptcy proceeding complete with a challenge that could have completely altered the landscape of professional sports in America. They are not even remotely comparable situations.

valo403 · 01-31-2013, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by landshark

Doan left several million $ on the table thanks to promises from Jamison (SLIMEBAG!!!)

I hope he layers up and goes after him. I hope Jamison is litigated to death. I know that the US is already sue-happy, but this guy was hoping to make a quick buck at EVERYBODY'S expense.

I can't wait to hear what Doan has to say about his face to face with Jamison...

For what?

Flash Walken · 01-31-2013, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by valo403

For what?

Fraud.

troutman · 01-31-2013, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by valo403

For what?

That's what I wanted your opinion on. Is there some kind of tort relief there for misrepresentation/economic harm? (assuming Jamison promised certain things). Or his Doan entirely at fault for not doing proper due diligence? Is his agent liable for negligence?

Resolute 14 · 01-31-2013, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Fraud.

I was thinking of fraud by deception, but that would depend on what Jamison actually said.

I have no idea what Jamison could have said that would actually stand up in court, however. "I am completely confident I will complete the deal" wouldn't count, I don't think. He would have had to state something along the lines of how he already had the money and already had the deal completed.

Or, perhaps if Doan was told that by signing a long-term deal at a lower cost, it would guarantee the investors would show up to allow the deal to complete. That would probably be a scam comparable to a Nigerian prince.

valo403 · 01-31-2013, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Vulcan

It's strange how people closest to the situation are blind to what's happening. It reminds me of the American's gun culture being quite normal to their gun enthusiasts, while the rest of the world knows otherwise.

Working in the front office doesn't make you privy to something like an acquisition or a sale, all those people would know is that Jamison had the window to close and was in the process of getting his financing sorted. Only people involved with that financing would know it wasn't going to happen.

nik- · 01-31-2013, 02:44 PM

I'm sure that Jamison gave assurances he'd do all he could to keep the team there. He had no part in the actual contract signing, I'm not sure how it would be possible for Doan to go after him.

jlh2640 · 01-31-2013, 02:44 PM

When will this saga end. It is not going to work in Phoenix.

valo403 · 01-31-2013, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by troutman

That's what I wanted your opinion on. Is there some kind of tort relief there for misrepresentation/economic harm? (assuming Jamison promised certain things). Or his Doan entirely at fault for not doing proper due diligence? Is his agent liable for negligence?

I don't practice in this area, but I would expect you'd need to show some sort of promissory statements or at least statements that rise to the level that a reasonable person would rely upon them. Even then, unless Jamison had no intention of closing the deal when he said it, or should have known there was no way it could happen, it seems like an uphill battle.

I don't see how something like 'I'm committed to hockey in Phoenix' or anything of the like would get you there. If he said 'I have the cash in the bank, I'm just waiting for my new checks to arrive' it would be a different story, but I have my doubts that happened.

And I'd expect there'd be an expectation from the court that Doan and his agent did their homework, this isn't a consumer protection type of situation, these are two knowledgeable business parties.

It strikes me as something that would be tough to sue on absent a smoking gun, but who knows, there may be a lot we don't know about.

Muta · 01-31-2013, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by valo403

Nobody wanted to own a team in Atlanta and there wasn't a bankruptcy proceeding complete with a challenge that could have completely altered the landscape of professional sports in America. They are not even remotely comparable situations.

Doesn't really matter, my point is that the optics to the general public remain the same. Plus, my bigger point is that I hope Phoenix does lose their team, I don't have sympathy for them. They should have supported their team more, not just having the same 9000 fans over and over and giving away free tickets to make the arena seem fuller.

GreenLantern2814 · 01-31-2013, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I was thinking of fraud by deception, but that would depend on what Jamison actually said.

I have no idea what Jamison could have said that would actually stand up in court, however. "I am completely confident I will complete the deal" wouldn't count, I don't think. He would have had to state something along the lines of how he already had the money and already had the deal completed.

Or, perhaps if Doan was told that by signing a long-term deal at a lower cost, it would guarantee the investors would show up to allow the deal to complete. That would probably be a scam comparable to a Nigerian prince.

How has he committed fraud? Doan signed a contract. He's still going to be paid that contract. He had his chance to walk away, and he chose to roll the dice on Jamison. I'm sure his agent told him this was a possibility. Not anyone's fault but Doan's.

Northendzone · 01-31-2013, 02:52 PM

insert video of nelson saying "ha-ha"........

hard to beleive that the front office staff are really "reeling" - unless they truly drank the "kool-aid" - i mean most of us figured out that gregger clearly did not have the money months ago......

seems to me the correct order of business is for the buyer to prove tot eh NHL that he really has all the money, then negotiate a sale price, then make the sale contingent on coming up with the right deal for Jobbing.com.....

the folks around the yotes must really like the circus music......

valo403 · 01-31-2013, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Muta

Doesn't really matter, my point is that the optics to the general public remain the same. Plus, my bigger point is that I hope Phoenix does lose their team, I don't have sympathy for them. They should have supported their team more, not just having the same 9000 fans over and over and giving away free tickets to make the arena seem fuller.

Only if you're ignorant to the vast differences in the situations. Lots of things look the same if you're willing to be ignorant of the facts.

Muta · 01-31-2013, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by valo403

Only if you're ignorant to the vast differences in the situations. Lots of things look the same if you're willing to be ignorant of the facts.

Welcome to the real world then. Not everyone has the time or interest to know the details as certain others do. Optics still remain the same.

valo403 · 01-31-2013, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Muta

Welcome to the real world then. Not everyone has the time or interest to know the details as certain others do. Optics still remain the same.

Sure, to the ignorant, which was the point of my response to you. If you want to be ignorant about the facts then yes, very similar. In the same vein, apples and oranges are very similar, you know, if you're ignorant to the fact that they're completely different.

dammage79 · 01-31-2013, 03:11 PM

This is kind of like Teen mom. If the NHL would've pulled out sooner, there wouldn't be this ugly stupid mess. And now they're stuck with it.

Muta · 01-31-2013, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by valo403

Sure, to the ignorant, which was the point of my response to you. If you want to be ignorant about the facts then yes, very similar. In the same vein, apples and oranges are very similar, you know, if you're ignorant to the fact that they're completely different.

Haha not really, that's pretty dramatic but sure, if you say so. Apples and oranges are much easier to sort out than complex financial systems and transactions.

valo403 · 01-31-2013, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Muta

Haha not really, that's pretty dramatic but sure, if you say so. Apples and oranges are much easier to sort out than complex financial systems and transactions.

Well it's not like that whole bankruptcy thing, and this whole ordeal actually, has been in every single Canadian newspaper fr a few years or anything

GreenLantern2814 · 01-31-2013, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

This is kind of like Teen mom. If the NHL would've pulled out sooner, there wouldn't be this ugly stupid mess. And now they're stuck with it.

Pulling out doesn't work.

Muta · 01-31-2013, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by valo403

Well it's not like that whole bankruptcy thing, and this whole ordeal actually, has been in every single Canadian newspaper fr a few years or anything

Its pretty ignorant though to assume that most people read about it to the extent that hardcore hockey fans do. Most people probably don't give a flying crap what's happening in Phoenix. All they see is that it looks like it has dragged on for a couple years now. Hence, my point.