01-30-2013, 05:11 AM
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#601
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: At the Gates of Hell
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Unfortunately, I'm not the supervisor, and these facts are well known to him--well,to all in management and craft. Remember I reported the rifle case in the ladie's room and they didn't care!!!
When I was (briefly) a supervisor I told an employee with alcohol breath to go home, and I was told by my supervisor I had no authority to do that! One of the many reasons I quit that really pointless job.
It's a terribly dysfunctional place. It just amazes me that nothing tragic has happened. I guess hat was my point. I'm not condoning it.
Last edited by missdpuck; 01-30-2013 at 05:14 AM.
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01-30-2013, 06:40 AM
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#602
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher
Except tips do not equate to bonuses.
At most serving jobs I've worked tips equate to about half your income. What % of your income is your bonus?
If somebody doesn't tip you, you still have to tip out the bartender, hostess and kitchen/house so you actually lose money on that table. If somebody tips 5% I basically make zero money on the table as I have to tip out 5% to others.
Tips are part of a servers income. I can understand that people don't like the system. But most people wouldn't work minimum wage to serve without the tips so the restaurant would have to increase prices on food/drinks if the tipping system wasn't in place.
So yeah.
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My unpopular opinion...servers should be taxed on the tips they make.
Yes I understand this would be difficult to do.
Ive seen servers walk out with 180 to 300 a night. That should be taxed just like the rest of us.
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01-30-2013, 06:59 AM
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#603
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Sask (sorry)
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A major problem I have with tips is that it's not a traceable form of income really, not unless you could only tip on credit cards and debit cards and had those receipts.
There is no way that 100% of all servers out there claim 100% of their tips as taxable income.
I still tip, but the fact that I'm paying you extra with my after-tax income so you can not declare it as taxable income is annoying.
I'd gladly pay 15%-20% extra for my food and drinks and not have to tip. It's not my job to subsidize crappy wages.
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01-30-2013, 07:02 AM
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#604
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Playboy Mansion Poolboy
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Close enough to make a beer run during a TV timeout
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Originally Posted by kipperiggy
I still tip, but the fact that I'm paying you extra with my after-tax income so you can not declare it as taxable income is annoying.
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So you are saying that money has already been taxed, so you find it annoying that the gov't doesn't get to tax it again?
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01-30-2013, 07:23 AM
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#605
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ken0042
So you are saying that money has already been taxed, so you find it annoying that the gov't doesn't get to tax it again?

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By that rationale though, we shouldn't have to pay Sales Tax, because the money we are spending has already been taxed. I really liked the idea of reducing Income Taxes, and raising Sales taxes, to promote saving, and to have a way to tax unrecorded personal income (Tips, Drug Dealers, organized crime, etc)
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01-30-2013, 07:28 AM
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#606
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Playboy Mansion Poolboy
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Close enough to make a beer run during a TV timeout
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More than anything I was pointing out the flaw in his thinking. A more rational way of approaching it would be "It is unfair that servers are able to avoid paying taxes on their income. That increases the burden on other people like me who pay tax on all of their income."
You are right though- it would be nice if there was a system that made it less attractive for people to hide their income.
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01-30-2013, 07:52 AM
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#607
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: 127.0.0.1
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Quote:
Originally Posted by missdpuck
If there were drug tests at my job half the people would be fired. When I first started at the PO there were 3 guys we had to "rescue" on a daily basis because they would be sitting at a bar, passed out in the mail truck, or just sitting around. Yet several other guys (and 2 women) drank on their respective routes and were some of the
fastest, most accurate carriers.
Now every morning at the time clock there are 3 carriers (2 are female) whose breath is so boozy you kinda wonder how they make it. Yet not one of them has had an accident or any kind of work performance issue. 2 hve been here for 32 years, the other for 28 years.
So I wonder if some people just function better when they're on something.
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Is the PO a govt job, or something like that?
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01-30-2013, 08:18 AM
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#608
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Sask (sorry)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ken0042
So you are saying that money has already been taxed, so you find it annoying that the gov't doesn't get to tax it again?

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True and I clearly didn't think of that. Take my point about having to pay servers tips with after-tax income out of there, though, and you have a serious problem. People who become servers just for the tips and then don't declare their income? Why should they be exempt from income tax?
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01-30-2013, 08:19 AM
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#609
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Sask (sorry)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ken0042
More than anything I was pointing out the flaw in her thinking. A more rational way of approaching it would be "It is unfair that servers are able to avoid paying taxes on their income. That increases the burden on other people like me who oay tax on all of their income."
You are right though- it would be nice if there was a system that made it less attractive for people to hide their income.
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And that is why I shouldn't rush to post on my way out the door to work!
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01-30-2013, 08:30 AM
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#610
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Basement Chicken Choker
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: In a land without pants, or war, or want. But mostly we care about the pants.
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People who don't like tipping are, in my general experience, just cheap, and their arguments against tipping are smokescreens to hide their avaricious, miserly natures.
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01-30-2013, 08:43 AM
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#611
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Lifetime Suspension
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People who think tipping is a mandotory part of eating out. They drive me crazy, in my general experience, just people who have worked as servers and waiters. I tip between 10-20% depending on service but I still don't feel it should be a required thing.
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01-30-2013, 08:47 AM
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#612
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Toronto
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Maybe along the lines of something you can think but shouldn't say,
- Not all babies are cute
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01-30-2013, 08:57 AM
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#613
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire
Deep south Americans aren't a race. They have a race, but aren't a race.
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Just so I'm clear on your position, please confirm it for me.
Generalizing a group of people as having a particular negative characteristic based upon the region in which they reside is 100% okay. Generalizing a group of people as having a negative characteristic based upon the color of their skin is so completely out of line that you're going to make sure you call it out every time.
Is that accurate?
If so, I really hope you stick with it in the latter situation, and I also hope you pull your head out of your ass on the former situation.
Oh, and my unpopular opinion: I think that intense interrogation techniques should be permitted against people with confirmed involvement in terrorist organizations.
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01-30-2013, 08:59 AM
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#614
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist
Yes, except for Me, Myself and Irene
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Best Jim Carrey movie ever.
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01-30-2013, 09:01 AM
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#615
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: 127.0.0.1
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JiriHrdina
There is nothing funny about Mike Myers
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I agree, except Austin Powers, way above average in the funny dept.
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01-30-2013, 09:03 AM
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#616
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Lifetime Suspension
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The filipino accent and language is one of the ugliest languages on planet earth. It's grating on the ears to hear, I just can't stand it.
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01-30-2013, 09:07 AM
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#617
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Retired
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Quote:
Originally Posted by missdpuck
Unfortunately, I'm not the supervisor, and these facts are well known to him--well,to all in management and craft. Remember I reported the rifle case in the ladie's room and they didn't care!!!
When I was (briefly) a supervisor I told an employee with alcohol breath to go home, and I was told by my supervisor I had no authority to do that! One of the many reasons I quit that really pointless job.
It's a terribly dysfunctional place. It just amazes me that nothing tragic has happened. I guess hat was my point. I'm not condoning it.
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I hope that when you sent the employee home, you also called he/she a cab.
Honestly though, it sounds like you would be a good fit for Penn State if you feel that just reporting it to your supervisors is enough, especially if you know they aren't doing anything. Do the right thing and if you see an employee starts driving while intoxicated, call the cops.
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01-30-2013, 09:10 AM
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#618
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by CaramonLS
I hope that when you sent the employee home, you also called he/she a cab.
Honestly though, it sounds like you would be a good fit for Penn State if you feel that just reporting it to your supervisors is enough, especially if you know they aren't doing anything. Do the right thing and if you see an employee starts driving while intoxicated, call the cops.
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IF the supervisor fails to act it is your (op, not you) duty to call the cops and report it higher.
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01-30-2013, 09:19 AM
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#620
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Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Crowsnest Pass
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm
The filipino accent and language is one of the ugliest languages on planet earth. It's grating on the ears to hear, I just can't stand it.
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Deutsch sprechen guten tag.
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