Phaneuf +/- after first 5 games

[Cowperson]

He's been voted the most overrated player in the NHL several times through multiple years in polls of his peers.

Million dollar arm, five cent head.

Cowperson

[Bertuzzied]

Breaking Lupul's arm with his slapshot is prob the highlight of his season so far.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by edn88

So, wait, are people saying trading Phaneuf for nothing, actually is a good thing?

At $6.5mil/per i would take The Anton straight up for The Dion.

[Mike F]

I'll always remember one of his last HNIC games as a Flame. He'd made some bone-head defensive plays that were being analyzed in the Behind the Mask segment and Hrudey stated that the kinds of mis-reads Phaneuf was making weren't anything he was going to grow or work his way out of; you can't just learn to think the game properly.

[Roof-Daddy]

Phaneuf is the anti-Feaster/Weisbrod type of player. They covet high hockey IQ as a top trait.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Mike F

I'll always remember one of his last HNIC games as a Flame. He'd made some bone-head defensive plays that were being analyzed in the Behind the Mask segment and Hrudey stated that the kinds of mis-reads Phaneuf was making weren't anything he was going to grow or work his way out of; you can't just learn to think the game properly.

Disagree

Defensive coverage can be learned if you are in fact willing to learn. That's always been Dion's problem, he's not coachable.

[Weiser Wonder]

When assessing the trade, you can't really say that it was a good trade even if Phaneuf becomes the worst player in the NHL this year, because you have to look at his perceived value when he was traded. That was very high so Darryl Sutter should have done a lot better than Stajan, Hagman, and Ian White.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Phaneuf is the anti-Feaster/Weisbrod type of player. They covet high hockey IQ as a top trait.

Blake Comeau?

Kabooom! there goes that theory...

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Disagree

Defensive coverage can be learned if you are in fact willing to learn. That's always been Dion's problem, he's not coachable.

I'll take Hrudey's opinion over yours.

There's only so much you can do with dumb.

[Roof-Daddy]

Can't believe it's already been almost three years since the trade.

Unreal.

[KOgear]

This is what happens when you play phaneuf and some no name ahler 33 min per night.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by KOgear

This is what happens when you play phaneuf and some no name ahler 33 min per night.

Because if you pair him up with a rock steady defensive-type Dman like a Regehr it works wonders?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by KOgear

This is what happens when you play phaneuf and some no name ahler 33 min per night.

He's 2nd in the league averaging nearly 28 minutes per game with a rookie opposing him. Dion has some warts on his game but when a guy plays nearly half the game every game for a team that isn't very good it doesn't take a rocket scientist to conclude that his +/- is going to take a hit.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Because if you pair him up with a rock steady defensive-type Dman like a Regehr it works wonders?

You talking about Buffalo's 5th defenseman playing sheltered minutes because he can't skate anymore? Rock steady is kind of an aptly description seeing he's a borderline pylon now.

[Robo]

It's not just his +/- he has looked awful this year

[Sol]

Originally Posted by Weiser Wonder

When assessing the trade, you can't really say that it was a good trade even if Phaneuf becomes the worst player in the NHL this year, because you have to look at his perceived value when he was traded. That was very high so Darryl Sutter should have done a lot better than Stajan, Hagman, and Ian White.

I would argue that Dion's perceived value at the time was quite a bit lower than most Flames fans thought. That's not to say that they couldn't have found a better deal.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

You talking about Buffalo's 5th defenseman playing sheltered minutes because he can't skate anymore? Rock steady is kind of an aptly description seeing he's a borderline pylon now.

I think he meant the Regehr of 3-4 years ago that Dion played with.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Phaneuf is the anti-Feaster/Weisbrod type of player. They covet high hockey IQ as a top trait.

On the other side of the coin he plays hard and can be tough to play against which is a trait management covets

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Hasn't been the same since that hip injury.

Lost all explosiveness on the ice and that was his biggest attribute.

This gets missed a lot when talking about dion... He's nowhere near the skater he used to be, and those leg injuries really derailed him. He used to be athletic enough to make up for his mistakes, but now that his mobility is sub par, he's really getting burned. And the worst part is, his style hasn't changed. He still thinks he can do everything he did when he was twenty two.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Blake Comeau?

Kabooom! there goes that theory...

Having read Comeau's recent paper on relativity, I disagree.