Roman Cervenka

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by dino7c

playing on a talented "3rd" line against weaker competition is not a bad thing that should be one of the Flames strengths. Their top end may not be as high but IF everyone was going they have nice balance. When is the last time the entire team was healthy? I can't even remember a time.

The third line is supposed to be able to go up against the other teams top line and not poop the bed.

What is the Flames checking line?

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Not necessarily any more. If you can have 3 legitimate scoring lines that can cycle well in the offensive zone, you can limit the opposition's control of the play due to puck control.

please provide a single example in the history of the NHL where this ever worked.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The third line is supposed to be able to go up against the other teams top line and not poop the bed.

What is the Flames checking line?

very few teams play that way anymore, most teams match top lines

[Coach]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The third line is supposed to be able to go up against the other teams top line and not poop the bed.

What is the Flames checking line?

IMO, ideally that is the 4th line. With the way the NHL is today all 4 lines need to contribute. You can't have a 4th line of pluggers getting <5min per game. I think jones has shown the ability to be a player in that role. Begin fits that mold as well. I was hoping Bouma could play as he does a good job of this as well and I think is an upgrade on Jackman in terms of hockey ability. Jackman just can't keep up with those players.

[timbit]

Nm

[timbit]

Originally Posted by dino7c

very few teams play that way anymore, most teams match top lines

That is a fact....and where the flames run into problems .

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by dino7c

very few teams play that way anymore, most teams match top lines

So Is Stoll the #1 centre on LA Or Sedin the #3 centre on the Canucks?

Boyd Gordon must be on the Phoenix #1 line because he was head to head with Toews and kane.

Ovechkin -- Brad Boyle...

Maybe its just the teams that win and make the playoffs??

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by MattyC

IMO, ideally that is the 4th line. With the way the NHL is today all 4 lines need to contribute. You can't have a 4th line of pluggers getting <5min per game. I think jones has shown the ability to be a player in that role. Begin fits that mold as well. I was hoping Bouma could play as he does a good job of this as well and I think is an upgrade on Jackman in terms of hockey ability. Jackman just can't keep up with those players.

What 4th line goes up against Iginla?

4th line , even in the most rolling 4 lines teams play 10 minutes/game


Canucks had lapierre, Volpati, Wiese and Maholtra playing less than 10 minutes last game.


the only time that AV would have had these slug on against Iginla would be if they got caught on an icing.

You try to figure out how well the Sedins would go against Jackman, Begin and Jones or Stajan??

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

So Is Stoll the #1 centre on LA Or Sedin the #3 centre on the Canucks?

Boyd Gordon must be on the Phoenix #1 line because he was head to head with Toews and kane.

Ovechkin -- Brad Boyle...

Maybe its just the teams that win and make the playoffs??

those three teams have been great so far

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by dino7c

those three teams have been great so far

If the Flames play in 16 or more playoff games NYR (20), LAK(24) Phx(16), winning 2 series you will have me convinced..

The Kings would gladly match up Kopitar-Brown and Williams against the Flames top line Iginla-Tanguay-Cammalleri as this gives the Kings a physical mismatch.

same with Thorton's line, Getzlaf's line, the Flames lack talented big top 6 players.


At least with Jokinen in the top 6 the Flames had a big body that wouldn't be run over all of the time.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Likely are going to want to prepare yourself for that Ricardo, my guess is Jones and Begin are the two Flames that sit out the game.

Glencross-Tanguay-Iginla
Cammallieri-Cervenka-Hudler
Baertschi-Backlund-Stempniak
Comeau-Stajan-Jackman

I would be surprised if it is not some combination of those 12 forwards in the lineup Saturday.

looks like Jones or Begin draw in over Baertschi

Hartley and Gelinas can see that this team is one physical thrashing from totally quiting

[Stay Golden]

960 reporting Cervenka and Hudler both to play vs EDM.
With Stajan as the center. Huh, sorry Hartley i don't get this one.

Cervenka and Hudler please note if you receive a pass from Matt do not return it. Keep it and do whatever you like but do not pass it back to Stajan

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

What 4th line goes up against Iginla?

4th line , even in the most rolling 4 lines teams play 10 minutes/game


Canucks had lapierre, Volpati, Wiese and Maholtra playing less than 10 minutes last game.


the only time that AV would have had these slug on against Iginla would be if they got caught on an icing.

You try to figure out how well the Sedins would go against Jackman, Begin and Jones or Stajan??

We got the answer to that last game. Sedins pinned the flames in their own end for 2 minutes. It was a miracle they did not score.

[Coach]

whoa triple post sorry team.

[Coach]

double post

[Coach]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

What 4th line goes up against Iginla?

4th line , even in the most rolling 4 lines teams play 10 minutes/game


Canucks had lapierre, Volpati, Wiese and Maholtra playing less than 10 minutes last game.


the only time that AV would have had these slug on against Iginla would be if they got caught on an icing.

You try to figure out how well the Sedins would go against Jackman, Begin and Jones or Stajan??

I never said those players should necessarily be doing it (although I think Jones and Begin can play that role). I said IDEALLY your 4th line should be able to play against top players and shut them down. Especially when the team is built like the flames with the top-9 forwards all being threats to score. I'd rather have guys like Jones and Begin playing against the Sedins (if they can do it effectively) than wasting the top line players ice-time trying to defend against the other top line.

And to your point, Im pretty sure Malholtra would be playing against most teams top lines (especially with no Kesler) for a few reasons, he is defensively responsible and is a good faceoff man (ie, can keep the puck away from the other team). The only reason a coach loads top line against top line is if the other teams top line doesnt have the ability to play good defense and can be exploited.

Near the end of the season last year Jones was being deployed against top lines and doing it very efectively because he was winning faceoffs, was hard on the puck and was getting under the skin of opposing players. If you bottom line can't do stuff like this what is their value?

[JazzyFlame]

Some people on this forum are seriously emotional messes. hartley knows what is best for the team, hence he coaches ....hockey teams.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

What 4th line goes up against Iginla?

4th line , even in the most rolling 4 lines teams play 10 minutes/game


Canucks had lapierre, Volpati, Wiese and Maholtra playing less than 10 minutes last game.


the only time that AV would have had these slug on against Iginla would be if they got caught on an icing.

You try to figure out how well the Sedins would go against Jackman, Begin and Jones or Stajan??

Stajan actually did good against the Sedin's Wednesday in his shifts against them. People may not want to admit it but Stajan is becoming a half decent third line center for the Flames and is really the only consistent faceoff guy on our team.

His lack of size is still an issue against the Thorton's and Getzlaf's but he is decent defensively.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Stajan actually did good against the Sedin's Wednesday in his shifts against them. People may not want to admit it but Stajan is becoming a half decent third line center for the Flames and is really the only consistent faceoff guy on our team.

His lack of size is still an issue against the Thorton's and Getzlaf's but he is decent defensively.

I agree Stajan is decent defensively and added also on the PK but he is not a finsher that is certain.

Just get the puck to Cervenka and Hudler and he has done his job.

[Change of Heart]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

I agree Stajan is decent defensively and added also on the PK but he is not a finsher that is certain.

Just get the puck to Cervenka and Hudler and he has done his job.

Ragin Stajan is going to pot 2 goals tomorrow night to show you different