First nations will blockade roads as part of 'Idle No More' protest

[Minnie]

So we're watching the end of a DVR'd show, and have it set to record 1 minute past the end of the show. This means we got the first little bit of the National news (CTV). They lead with Lisa LaFlamme saying "Chief Spence, what did she gain, after a six week hunger strike?" and my daughter yells out "20 lbs!!" I might have laughed a little.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

I had have absolutely nothing to do with what happen 100 years ago - or even 50 years ago or 40 years ago - yet i have no choice but to pay for it.

You can say that about basically anything. Did you have anything to do with the country going massively into debt in the '70s and '80s? I sure didn't but my taxes are going towards paying it back. That's how a country works.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by opendoor

You can say that about basically anything. Did you have anything to do with the country going massively into debt in the '70s and '80s? I sure didn't but my taxes are going towards paying it back. That's how a country works.

that's fine, but im still paying for free loaders

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Makarov

No one is saying that history is solely responsible for anything, but yes, the bolded is more or less what I am suggesting. All of our lives are connected to history in some complex, maybe non-intuitive way. It isn't productive to dwell on that, but neither is it productive to ignore it (in my opinion of course.)

guilt me. not gonna work, if you cant take self reprehensibility for your life....well your doomed

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

guilt me. not gonna work, if you cant take self reprehensibility for your life....well your doomed

Guilt you? I don't understand what you mean by that.

In any event, "take responsibility for your life or your [sic] doomed" seems like a rather myopic view of the world.

I suppose there is no point in trying to address the historic social, political and economic inequalities that conspired to force these children in Kabul to sift through rubbish to eek out an existence then? All we can do is to tell them to buck up and take responsibility for their lives?



Well, it saves us a lot of trouble and a lot of dealing with difficult, sometimes uncomfortable, questions. It does have that attraction to it I suppose.

[FlamesAddiction]

20lbs on a large person isn't all that noticable really.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Swarly

No, it's prejudice not racist. No one is this thread seems to know the difference.

And a prejudice that is based upon race is called?

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by polak

Her hunger strike is about as legitimate as this movement.

I'd love to see her definition of "liquid" diet.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

20lbs on a large person isn't all that noticable really.

A few years ago I was in the hospital for 2 weeks with pancreatitis. In those 2 weeks I was basically on a liquid diet. In 2 weeks (not 6 weeks like Ms Spence), I went from 260 lbs to 235 lbs.

You could definitely notice the weight loss.

[RubberDuck]

‘Racist’ label simple case of bullying

http://www.calgarysun.com/2013/01/24...se-of-bullying

Polling shows the majority of Canadians are sympathetic to the plight of Canada’s Native population, but a solid majority also want to ensure there is fiscal accountability for any government money sent to reserves and band councils.
Is that racist? Are millions of Canadians racist?

[Swarly]

Originally Posted by valo403

And a prejudice that is based upon race is called?

It's just called prejudice.

racism: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

The first half of that definition is prejudice, the part that makes it racism is the second part.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Swarly

It's just called prejudice.

racism: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

The first half of that definition is prejudice, the part that makes it racism is the second part.

Huh? When you develop an opinion, based upon race, that race x is y (untrustworthy, unemployable, lazy, violent etc.) that is racism. That is the exact situation that we have been discussing.

[Swarly]

Originally Posted by valo403

Huh? When you develop an opinion, based upon race, that race x is y (untrustworthy, unemployable, lazy, violent etc.) that is racism. That is the exact situation that we have been discussing.

no, racism is thinking that one race is better than the other.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Swarly

no, racism is thinking that one race is better than the other.

And what is it that you're doing when you think that x race is untrustworthy, lazy, unemployable etc. based solely upon their race?

I'm failing to see how this is difficult.

[AR_Six]

Originally Posted by Swarly

no, racism is thinking that one race is better than the other.

The OED is authoritative.

Originally Posted by Oxford English Dictionary

The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races. Hence: prejudice and antagonism towards people of other races, esp. those felt to be a threat to one's cultural or racial integrity or economic well-being; the expression of such prejudice in words or actions. Also occas. in extended use, with reference to people of other nationalities.

Can we stop talking about semantics now?

[Swarly]

Originally Posted by valo403

And what is it that you're doing when you think that x race is untrustworthy, lazy, unemployable etc. based solely upon their race?

I'm failing to see how this is difficult.

Lets use the stat of 80% of race X did not finish university/college. It's prejudice for one to assume that any member or most members of race X did not finish university before knowing anything about them. It is not racist tho if you do not consider that to be a trait that makes them better or worse than yourself. There are many many successful people that did not finish university.

Would you consider people who finished a trade school instead to be less than you?

I know its not a big difference to draw but it is there and I am tired of the constant casual accusations of racism

[Sliver]

Let's just say he's right and move on.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Swarly

Lets use the stat of 80% of race X did not finish university/college. It's prejudice for one to assume that any member or most members of race X did not finish university before knowing anything about them. It is not racist tho if you do not consider that to be a trait that makes them better or worse than yourself. There are many many successful people that did not finish university.

Would you consider people who finished a trade school instead to be less than you?

I know its not a big difference to draw but it is there and I am tired of the constant casual accusations of racism

You have completely skewed the situation, so congrats on that. Nobody has been discussing anything to do with trade school vs. university or anything even remotely comparable to that. Go back and read the examples presented.

[Plett25]

Here's my stab at the racism/prejudice difference.

Racism - "I think that guy is probably stupid because he's an Indian and Indians just aren't as smart as white people"

Prejudice - "I think that guy is probably stupid because he's an Indian, and due to a lot of factors (socioeconomics, education systems on reserves, etc.) Indians just aren't as smart as the average Canadian"

I think that if confronted with a Doctor who happens to be an Indian, these would be the reactions:

Racism - "There's no way I'd go to that Doctor, he's just a stupid Indian and his Medical School was probably afraid to fail him due to political correctness"

Prejudice - "Really? A Native Doctor? Considering all those factors stacked against him (socioeconomics, education systems on reserves, etc.) he must be really smart to have graduated Medical School."

I await your condemnation.

[RubberDuck]

This thread is really starting to suck.