Roman Cervenka

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

So Glencross the highest ice time forward and leading scorer after 3 games gets put on the 4th line?


The Flames have 3 grit guys in the top 9 --- Iginla, Glencross and this year it appears to be Stempniak ...... If that is the way it plays out this will be a lottery pick team.

Kipper will be hurt by game 15 .... it is open season on him as there are just a handful of Flames who would do anything about it.

Thing with Glencross is he can play the 4th line better than anyone else on this team. If he plays 4th line, special teams (both PK and PP), and the odd top line shift, he'll get plenty of ice time and have an impact IMO.

If Tanguay continues to play center, then I expect Glencross to continue to play top 9, but if not, he's the only winger we have that will continue to produce from the 4th line.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by sworkhard

Thing with Glencross is he can play the 4th line better than anyone else on this team. If he plays 4th line, special teams (both PK and PP), and the odd top line shift, he'll get plenty of ice time and have an impact IMO.

If Tanguay continues to play center, then I expect Glencross to continue to play top 9, but if not, he's the only winger we have that will continue to produce from the 4th line.

The best 4th liner player kicks in 10 goals. Glencross has not played a shift on a 4th line since Edmonton in 2007-08 with Brodziak and Sortini.


Iam sure that Iginla, Tangauy and Cammalleri can kick in 10-15 goals palying with Jonesand Jackman.... as Tanguay and Cammalleri don't provide protection or toughness for the top lines it would make more sense to move them to the 4th line.


Why pick on Glencross?

That is like saying Lucic is tough so put him on the forth line.

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The best 4th liner player kicks in 10 goals. Glencross has not played a shift on a 4th line since Edmonton in 2007-08 with Brodziak and Sortini.


Iam sure that Iginla, Tangauy and Cammalleri can kick in 10-15 goals palying with Jonesand Jackman.... as Tanguay and Cammalleri don't provide protection or toughness for the top lines it would make more sense to move them to the 4th line.


Why pick on Glencross?

That is like saying Lucic is tough so put him on the forth line.

Which other winger do we have that could excel on the 4th line? Stempniak could hold his own I guess, but I doubt he'll excel. Baertchi certainly doesn't belong there, Neither do Cammalleri, Iggy, Tanguay, or Hudler.

Glencross got a hat trick playing on the 4th line a few years back when Sutter demoted him to it after playing a few bad games. While he's probably played more time on the 3rd line than anywhere else since we acquired him, he's certainly played his share of shifts on the 4th line.

This is the great thing about Glencross, he can produce on any line you put him on. He can play a simple, crash and bang game and produce. He can play with skilled player and produce. And regardless of where he plays, he's going to get PP and PK time.

Putting Glencross on the 4th line has very little to do with toughness, and more how he can produce without skilled linemates. We know Glencross can produce regardless of the skill level of his linemates. I'm not convinced anyone else in our top 9 could.

[Eric]

Prorate last years season, and Glencross is a 30 goal scorer.

Why do we want a 30 goal scorer on the fourth line? Its really as simple as that...

[Anduril]

At this point we're going to be arguing over nothing since one way or another, somebody who deserves top 9 ice time or is too talented to not be playing will be left out.

I for one, think Cammy should take a seat this game.

Tanguay Backlund Iginla
Glencross Cervenka Hudler
Baertschi Stajan Stempniak
Begin Jones Jackman


Defense is the same as last game.

Scribbled with the Note II

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by sworkhard

Thing with Glencross is he can play the 4th line better than anyone else on this team. If he plays 4th line, special teams (both PK and PP), and the odd top line shift, he'll get plenty of ice time and have an impact IMO.

If Tanguay continues to play center, then I expect Glencross to continue to play top 9, but if not, he's the only winger we have that will continue to produce from the 4th line.

Glencross on the 4th line is an absolute no. If they have to go to those extremes just so Sven can play top 9 i rather Sven go to the heat.

[Heavy Jack]

Here's what I'd like to see:

Glencross - Tanguay - Iginla -- They are really close to being a great line, once Hartley went back to them and away from the Cammy/Backs/Iggy combo things began to pick up in the Nucks game, they were arguably our best line in the 3rd. I haven't hated Iginla's play so far he just hasn't been lucky, Glenny has been our best forward and deserves top spot of the left side of Tanguay whom I think we are going to see at center for the long run.

Baertschi - Backlund - Cammy -- Baertschi and Backs have shown flashes of that chemistry a few times in the first three games but haven't really been able to connect outside of Backlund's goal against the nucks and assist on the PP on the lone goal against the Sharks. I think Hartley needs to stick with this combo though, especially for this game, the Oilers are trumpeting their "loot" right now and though ours isn't as shiny it would be a big win if those guys could out play some of the young Oilers. Cammy is a top 6 forward, I know he's been slow so far but he has an amazing shot and is a pure sniper, if Hartley sticks with these guys I think they will develop chemistry!

Stempniak - Cervenka - Hudler -- Can't have Cammy and Hudler on the same line, makes it to small of a line, so throw Stemps into the second of pretty much two 2nd lines. He lost some of his spark against Vancouver and that shoot-out attempt was brutal but he can finish and create speed and a cycle down low. Huds and Cervenka are playing their first game this year, Roman of his career, and should get shelter minutes and good match-ups, can't wait to see these guys!! Wideman has been a great addition of the big 3 so far.

This is where it gets interesting, basically the Flames have to decide between 3 of Begin, Jackman, Jones, Stajan, Comeau and our of those 3 I think the Flames have no choice but to go with the following:

Begin - Stajan - Jackman

Stajan is being used in a face-off role as someone mentioned earlier and he is so far fulfilling that need, Stajan has also been on the 4th line here before so he knows that show, Jackman is a big part of our lacking toughness and I think Begin has shown more than Comeau so he deserves the nod over Blake, he brings a ton of energy when he's out there and is a little tougher than Blake as well.

[sa226]

I think it will be interesting to see if Hartley sticks with a converted winger at center, or if he moves guys back to their natural position.

If guys go back to their natural position, I think the only guy bumped out of the top 9 who deserves to be there is Stempniak.

If he is committed to making Tanguay (or even Hudler) a center then Stajan goes back to 4th line center and Stempniak stays up.

It will be interesting for sure.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Here's what I'd like to see:

Glencross - Tanguay - Iginla -- They are really close to being a great line, once Hartley went back to them and away from the Cammy/Backs/Iggy combo things began to pick up in the Nucks game, they were arguably our best line in the 3rd. I haven't hated Iginla's play so far he just hasn't been lucky, Glenny has been our best forward and deserves top spot of the left side of Tanguay whom I think we are going to see at center for the long run.

Baertschi - Backlund - Cammy -- Baertschi and Backs have shown flashes of that chemistry a few times in the first three games but haven't really been able to connect outside of Backlund's goal against the nucks and assist on the PP on the lone goal against the Sharks. I think Hartley needs to stick with this combo though, especially for this game, the Oilers are trumpeting their "loot" right now and though ours isn't as shiny it would be a big win if those guys could out play some of the young Oilers. Cammy is a top 6 forward, I know he's been slow so far but he has an amazing shot and is a pure sniper, if Hartley sticks with these guys I think they will develop chemistry!

Stempniak - Cervenka - Hudler -- Can't have Cammy and Hudler on the same line, makes it to small of a line, so throw Stemps into the second of pretty much two 2nd lines. He lost some of his spark against Vancouver and that shoot-out attempt was brutal but he can finish and create speed and a cycle down low. Huds and Cervenka are playing their first game this year, Roman of his career, and should get shelter minutes and good match-ups, can't wait to see these guys!! Wideman has been a great addition of the big 3 so far.

This is where it gets interesting, basically the Flames have to decide between 3 of Begin, Jackman, Jones, Stajan, Comeau and our of those 3 I think the Flames have no choice but to go with the following:

Begin - Stajan - Jackman

Stajan is being used in a face-off role as someone mentioned earlier and he is so far fulfilling that need, Stajan has also been on the 4th line here before so he knows that show, Jackman is a big part of our lacking toughness and I think Begin has shown more than Comeau so he deserves the nod over Blake, he brings a ton of energy when he's out there and is a little tougher than Blake as well.

I really dislike the Flames' forward mix right now. Mostly because they have too many 4th liners, and Cammalleri's poor play is screwing up the top 9 rotation beyond belief.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

I really dislike the Flames' forward mix right now. Mostly because they have too many 4th liners, and Cammalleri's poor play is screwing up the top 9 rotation beyond belief.

Too many 4th liners? If anything we don't have enough actual good 4th liners.

What we have is too many 2/3rd line wingers that aren't really gritty and need protection to be effective.

[StrykerSteve]

No argument here.

[Stay Golden]

Cammy should be demoted to the 3rd line until his cardio and legs are season ready.
He is so out of shape at the moment and its hurting the second line.
Cammy should have to prove to Hartley he is ready for second line duties again.
Even on the PP he was out of position and late.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Cammy should be demoted to the 3rd line until his cardio and legs are season ready.
He is so out of shape at the moment and its hurting the second line.
Cammy should have to prove to Hartley he is ready for second line duties again.
Even on the PP he was out of position and late.

I agee with the bolded part. He should have to face some sort of punishment for his play. The thing is, when this team is fully healthy what is the 3rd line? Cervenka Hudler and Cammi does not sound like a demotion?

I really don't think this team has a 3rd line. With the makeup of players they have, they have a 2a and 2b line and a 1st line without a legit center.

[Stay Golden]

Agree 3rd lines are usually checkers that are hard to play against. Can chip in and cause turnovers. The Flames do not have that for a 3rd line.

[FlamesAddiction]

I wasn't sure if I should bump the CBA thread or put it here, but does anyone know how bonuses are treated in the new CBA?

The reason I ask is Cervenka's base salary is quite low, but bonuses bring it up substantially. Are the numbers he has to achieve to reach the bonus adjusted due to the shortened season? Obviously the bonus money would need to be adjected as well in that case.

[FakenHaken]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I agee with the bolded part. He should have to face some sort of punishment for his play. The thing is, when this team is fully healthy what is the 3rd line? Cervenka Hudler and Cammi does not sound like a demotion?

I really don't think this team has a 3rd line. With the makeup of players they have, they have a 2a and 2b line and a 1st line without a legit center.

This almost sounds like Eddie Shore

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Agree 3rd lines are usually checkers that are hard to play against. Can chip in and cause turnovers. The Flames do not have that for a 3rd line.

Not necessarily any more. If you can have 3 legitimate scoring lines that can cycle well in the offensive zone, you can limit the opposition's control of the play due to puck control.

[dino7c]

playing on a talented "3rd" line against weaker competition is not a bad thing that should be one of the Flames strengths. Their top end may not be as high but IF everyone was going they have nice balance. When is the last time the entire team was healthy? I can't even remember a time.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I agee with the bolded part. He should have to face some sort of punishment for his play. The thing is, when this team is fully healthy what is the 3rd line? Cervenka Hudler and Cammi does not sound like a demotion?

I really don't think this team has a 3rd line. With the makeup of players they have, they have a 2a and 2b line and a 1st line without a legit center.

this team is shaping up like the Edmonton team of 2009-10 where going into the season they had too many 30 goal scorers.... Hemsky, Penner, Nilson, gagner, Cogliano, Horcoff, Moreau, pisanni, O'sullivan..... Schremp got crowded out of this high scoring lineup.


They finished in last ..... 12 points behind 29th place.

[Ashasx]

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