I believe I called the picture "in poor taste" and you'll have to quote where I defended sterotyping.
Also I did not claim to be objective (my views are clearly subjective), but rather objectively superior to you. That is, in kind of a Nietzschean sense; you know, "What is ape to man? A laughing stock or painful embarrassment". That sort of thing. I'm not sure who Zarathustra is in this analogy, but the details aren't crucial, I'm just saying that all evidence in this thread would suggest that you kind of suck in terms of your ability to function in relation to other people in society and thus the source of what you (probably correctly) perceive as condescension. I really do have little respect for trolls, even quality trolls such as yourself.
Quite right, troll. I am not entirely clear on this. My understanding was that it was a protest in response to changes implemented by a piece of omnibus legislation that were seen as degrading environmental protection afforded to waterways, as well as instituting a new rule whereby bands could enter into lease agreements for band land on the basis of a majority of votes at a meeting called by the Minister for Aboriginal Affairs rather than a simple majority of all band members entitled to vote. But those things are rarely mentioned and solutions to those issues (however the INM movement might like to present them which is also unclear) are not forthcoming from supporters so far as I've seen.
I have no motivation to research their perspective and feel that if you are protesting perceived injustices you are at minimum required to tell the general public what those perceived injustices are and how you propose they be remedied.
Troll, laugh I 'm not the one posting inflammatory messages. I'm reacting to others inflammatory messages and the people defending them by speaking the truth. If you don't like it too bad.
Then ignore them, not that difficult! The internet must be a daunting place for you, never read YouTube comments or news article comments, you will never be able to sleep.
Using racism is a scape goat and it's the last vestige for those who do not have an argument.
Well I like this site and I can't believe the crap that's going on here, so I speak up. I don't care what goes on in YouTube.
So racism doesn't happen anymore in this enlightened time, good to hear.
and by the way it's 'Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel'.
Troll, laugh I 'm not the one posting inflammatory messages. I'm reacting to others inflammatory messages and the people defending them by speaking the truth. If you don't like it too bad.
You may not be a troll, but you are certainly trolling. The bolded part more or less underlines that fact. The "truth" would be supported by facts, not just your opinion. So you're spewing your opinion on things and representing it as fact, which simply isn't true. I think almost all of us would be just as pissed off if this was a bunch of rich white people, poor black people, medium income asian people, whatever. Disrupting the lives of others will never, ever win you support and will almost certainly earn you disdain and anger, regardless of race.
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Well I like this site and I can't believe the crap that's going on here, so I speak up. I don't care what goes on in YouTube.
So racism doesn't happen anymore in this enlightened time, good to hear.
and by the way it's 'Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel'.
Fair enough, you made your point that 3 weeks ago, some anonymous people made some racist comments. What do you suggest now, call everyone racist? Close the thread due to your outrage? What is your point?
There's not much point in having a discussion with a troll who would rather grandstand, tell people to "act like a man" and dramatically apply loaded labels to people like "racist" to everyone who disagrees with them than actually engage in real discussion of the issues. So if I'm condescending that's probably the reason why.
... Well, also, all evidence thus far in this thread has suggested that I am objectively better than you, so that's also in play.
He's not worth engaging. He's nothing more than a pathetic little man with numerous issues, and he displays it regularly. Fortunately, in doing so he provides me a great deal of entertainment.
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You may not be a troll, but you are certainly trolling. The bolded part more or less underlines that fact. The "truth" would be supported by facts, not just your opinion. So you're spewing your opinion on things and representing it as fact, which simply isn't true. I think almost all of us would be just as pissed off if this was a bunch of rich white people, poor black people, medium income asian people, whatever. Disrupting the lives of others will never, ever win you support and will almost certainly earn you disdain and anger, regardless of race.
Really, you think if it was a bunch of bankers in pin stripe suits marching down the road, they would get the same amount of animosity as natives?
You don't get it, I'm not defending their choice to disrupt traffic, (I think they have a right to peaceful protest but it's a poor decision) or Chief Spence or corruption. I'm protesting the racist comments and a picture that someone posted. Some have been inciting violence and that's not cool.
Some should take a second look at what their motives are. Is it just that they will be inconvenienced or is it who will be inconveniencing them? From a lot of the comments it looks to be more of who is inconveniencing them.
Really, you think if it was a bunch of bankers in pin stripe suits marching down the road, they would get the same amount of animosity as natives?
You don't get it, I'm not defending their choice to disrupt traffic, (I think they have a right to peaceful protest but it's a poor decision) or Chief Spence or corruption. I'm protesting the racist comments and a picture that someone posted. Some have been inciting violence and that's not cool.
Some should take a second look at what their motives are. Is it just that they will be inconvenienced or is it who will be inconveniencing them? From a lot of the comments it looks to be more of who is inconveniencing them.
Please point to specific instances and demonstrate why they are racist or STFU
Really, you think if it was a bunch of bankers in pin stripe suits marching down the road, they would get the same amount of animosity as natives?
You don't get it, I'm not defending their choice to disrupt traffic, (I think they have a right to peaceful protest but it's a poor decision) or Chief Spence or corruption. I'm protesting the racist comments and a picture that someone posted. Some have been inciting violence and that's not cool.
Some should take a second look at what their motives are. Is it just that they will be inconvenienced or is it who will be inconveniencing them? From a lot of the comments it looks to be more of who is inconveniencing them.
Actually, I think they'd get more hassle. But again it doesn't matter who. If i'm trying to get home and the typical drive takes me 30 minutes, and because of a protest it will take 90+minutes, I don't care if you're my ####ing mom, I'm gonna be ridiculously pissed at you.
And again, you're assuming people are being racist without any proof. Since its obvious no matter what you're going to view many in this thread as racist, its more or less a waste of time debating it. You think we're racist, we think you're losing your sanity. Neither group will change the others mind, so lets move on?
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Really, you think if it was a bunch of bankers in pin stripe suits marching down the road, they would get the same amount of animosity as natives?
Oh god yes.
If entitled pieces of wall street s*** started marching down the street protesting some sort of generic crap like "no more government regulation" or "increase corporate welfare".
I personally wouldn't be talking about cow catchers and semi trucks, I'd be talking about machine guns and machetes.
Again, just incase you missed it:
Just like the Occupy Movement.
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Please point to specific instances and demonstrate why they are racist or STFU
I've been pointing them out as this thread has gone. Being able to keep up is a problem with you that I've learned from my other discussions. In a previous time I had to post the same link three or four times and you still wouldn't acknowledge it, so you're not worth my time.
carry on with the insults since that's all you got but don't expect a reply in the future.
I've been pointing them out as this thread has gone. Being able to keep up is a problem with you that I've learned from my other discussions. In a previous time I had to post the same link three or four times and you still wouldn't acknowledge it, so you're not worth my time.
carry on with the insults since that's all you got but don't expect a reply in the future.
You haven't pointed out a single case of racism. Not one. You've pointed at a number of instances of people taking issue with blockades, but not once have you pointed to anything that even remotely indicates that the cause of peoples objections is the race of the protesters.
As per usual you are making yourself out to be a laughing stock. Either you're trolling or you've lost your mind.
I pointed out a racist post and explained why it was racist and all I got was a bunch of people denying it. I'm not ashamed to be piled on by a bunch of right wingers who have a more relaxed definition of racism than I do. By the consensus opinion of racism around these parts, it seems racism no longer exists in the world unless you outright call someone a racial slur.
I pointed out a racist post and explained why it was racist and all I got was a bunch of people denying it. I guess we all see what we're conditioned to see. I'm not ashamed to be piled on by a bunch of right wingers who have a more relaxed definition of racism than I do. By some definitions on here racism no longer exists in this world unless you outright call someone a racial slur.
Not going to deny that racism exists, but on the flipside, you'd have to be pretty ignorant to not see that it's often used by minorities at the drop of the hat when they are on the defensive and can't argue back on the actual issues.
Case in point: a lot of Vulcan's arguments in this thread IMO.
I'm far from a "right winger" and I haven't seen anything over the top. And I for sure haven't seen anything that wasn't said in the Occupy thread. I think what Vulcan and icecube are not understanding is that anyone blocking roads with protests would get the same treatment and it wouldn't matter if they were white, black, yellow, orange or purple.
FN or not they are doing themselves no favours by blocking roads and business from happening. They are punishing those who they either want on their side or the ones that actually pay taxes so those millions of dollars can be funneled to their leaders. Overall they have done a terrible job representing what they are actually fighting for and at the same time taking it out on those that don't make the decisions. I'd actually be embarassed if I was FN that so many people are representing me in this fashion.
Regardless of race they are making it very easy to dislike them and what they are trying to accomplish.
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I'm far from a "right winger" and I haven't seen anything over the top. And I for sure haven't seen anything that wasn't said in the Occupy thread. I think what Vulcan and icecube are not understanding is that anyone blocking roads with protests would get the same treatment and it wouldn't matter if they were white, black, yellow, orange or purple.
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I'm not ashamed to be piled on by a bunch of right wingers who have a more relaxed definition of racism than I do.
Don't try and make this a left/right issue, because it's not even close.
This is a rational/irrational issue.
Guess which side you and Vulcan are on?
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