First nations will blockade roads as part of 'Idle No More' protest

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by AR_Six

Christ, you can't actually be this dumb, you have to be doing it on purpose.

I didn't say I believed that. If you read one sentence below I specifically say I don't endorse that and I doubt anyone does. Earlier I said the picture was in poor taste. All I said in the quote you reproduced was that it isn't racist.

Am I being victimized by a troll here? Someone help me out. My troll-crystal-ball isn't working.

I do not promote applying consequences of breaking a law by means of cowcatcher, but I suspect that that was tongue in cheek by the individual who posted it anyway, as no one actually expects a cowcatcher will be used to break up the protest.

I see it was just a joke. We used to tell black jokes and thought it was funny until we realized it wasn't really funny and in fact was racist. Go one keep digging your hole while defending a crap post.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

LOL I'm sure that's what the poster was meaning, not.

It's a FN protest and the majority are FN and in the context of the insults thrown at FN in this thread, it's definitely directed at them. This whole thread is about their protest. You can dance around all you want but the truth is plain. At least be a man and take credit or discredit for your views.

People have been holding protests and marches for years and this is the first time in this country I've seen them being threatened with violence for a little inconvenience. A lot of the posters here are blinded by their hate and don't realize what they and you are saying, condoning and encouraging. It's easy to sit behind your monitors and spout your hate but I bet you wouldn't be doing it quite so bravely if you had to face your so called victims.

Where was your head buried during the Occupy protests last year? Pretty much the exact same sentiments are being expressed in this thread as were expressed then. This isn't a race issue, it's a 'the form of this protest is ridiculous' issue.

And where are these threats of violence? Please tell me you're not talking about CC's post where he expressed the completely legitimate view that blocking roads could lead to people reacting violently. In case you're unaware, discussing foreseeable outcomes to certain actions is different than advocating for those outcomes.

[AR_Six]

Hahaha! okay now you're officially a troll. A good troll, too. A black joke makes fun of black people for being black - references stereotypes about black people with the intent of being humorous. How exactly a cow catcher relates to First Nations people you might have to explain!

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by AR_Six

Hahaha! okay now you're officially a troll. A good troll, too. A black joke makes fun of black people for being black - references stereotypes about black people with the intent of being humorous. How exactly a cow catcher relates to First Nations people you might have to explain!

It didn't start with the cow catcher, it started with the racial stereotyping insults and has since devolved to threatening violence. Maybe you should go back and read the first few pages.

Check out post 43 for some quotes.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

I see it was just a joke. We used to tell black jokes and thought it was funny until we realized it wasn't really funny and in fact was racist. Go one keep digging your hole while defending a crap post.

If anyone is full of hate it's you little man

[AR_Six]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

It didn't start with the cow catcher, it started with the racial stereotyping insults and has since devolved to threatening violence. Maybe you should go back and read the first few pages.

Nah, I don't need to read those pages, as I'm talking about a specific protest (the proposed march next Monday) and a specific post (someone posting a picture of a cowcatcher).

The fact that you're actually taking the position that people were advocating, as a policy matter, injuring or killing people for blocking traffic reveals you to be the melodramatic troll that you are. Nice trolling, dude. Very effective.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by AR_Six

Nah, I don't need to read those pages, as I'm talking about a specific protest (the proposed march next Monday) and a specific post (someone posting a picture of a cowcatcher).

The fact that you're actually taking the position that people were advocating, as a policy matter, injuring or killing people for blocking traffic reveals you to be the melodramatic troll that you are. Nice trolling, dude. Very effective.

Well if you don't understand the context, you can't make a rational conclusion so your opinion isn't worth anything.

Whether some posters believe that they are advocating violence or merely ignorantly spouting off. Their words are a reflection of their mindset and may encourage others to think that it's okay to react violently.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

It didn't start with the cow catcher, it started with the racial stereotyping insults and has since devolved to threatening violence. Maybe you should go back and read the first few pages.

Check out post 43 for some quotes.

Post 43 quotes the exact same things that were being said during the occupy protests so the racial stereotyping BS doesn't work but as usual you will ignore that and label everyone racist.

As for the c-trains I missed the part where he said only put in on when Natives are there and stop for all the whities involved.

It is obviously a reaction to the frustration of the protestors and their stupid plans to disrupt people's lives and not at all a specifically anti-native racist view. But of course that doesn't fit into your garbage narrative that everyone is racist here so you ignore reality and try to create another racist controversy where it doesn't exist.

[AR_Six]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Well if you don't understand the context, you can't make a rational conclusion so your opinion isn't worth anything.

Please, dear troll, explain how the first few pages of this thread (which as you suggest I haven't read) provide the context first for the present discussion about a protest which was not contemplated when those first few pages were written, and second, for a post which doesn't appear to reference any previous post and is plainly a regrettable and simplistic joke about using a cow-catcher to plow through a protest march. Clearly I must have missed all the subtle nuances at play in the past page and a half and you are uniquely situated to tell me what everyone was REALLY trying to say!

This is just sad.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by moon

Post 43 quotes the exact same things that were being said during the occupy protests so the racial stereotyping BS doesn't work but as usual you will ignore that and label everyone racist.

As for the c-trains I missed the part where he said only put in on when Natives are there and stop for all the whities involved.

It is obviously a reaction to the frustration of the protestors and their stupid plans to disrupt people's lives and not at all a specifically anti-native racist view. But of course that doesn't fit into your garbage narrative that everyone is racist here so you ignore reality and try to create another racist controversy where it doesn't exist.

This is a thread about the FN and it wasn't directed at the occupiers, it was directed at a specific race.

Did I say everyone was racist, just the ones spouting hatred at the FN people.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by AR_Six

Please, dear troll, explain how the first few pages of this thread (which as you suggest I haven't read) provide the context first for the present discussion about a protest which was not contemplated when those first few pages were written, and second, for a post which doesn't appear to reference any previous post and is plainly a regrettable and simplistic joke about using a cow-catcher to plow through a protest march. Clearly I must have missed all the subtle nuances at play in the past page and a half and you are uniquely situated to tell me what everyone was REALLY trying to say!

This is just sad.

There was a protest down 16 Ave in the first pages.

Well for a while you were doing okay discussing the topic, now you're just being a condescending a**.

[AR_Six]

There's not much point in having a discussion with a troll who would rather grandstand, tell people to "act like a man" and dramatically apply loaded labels to people like "racist" to everyone who disagrees with them than actually engage in real discussion of the issues. So if I'm condescending that's probably the reason why.

... Well, also, all evidence thus far in this thread has suggested that I am objectively better than you, so that's also in play.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

This is a thread about the FN and it wasn't directed at the occupiers, it was directed at a specific race.

Did I say everyone was racist, just the ones spouting hatred at the FN people.

It was directed at protestors the same way it was directed at protestors of all races during the occupy protests. It wasn't blanket statements about native people but the ones that were involved in the protest. Since the exact same comments were made about the Occupy protestors it makes sense that the comments were made to the protesters not FN people in general, but again that doesn't fit your racist narrative so you ignore it.

You used a pretty broad brush when labeling people racism despite not once showing an example of it. So i guess not all but still more people than you have shown being racist.

[Swarly]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

This is a thread about the FN and it wasn't directed at the occupiers, it was directed at a specific race.

Just so I'm clear....

bunch of protesters with no clear goals, piss people off etc.... people say things like must be nice to be able to get time off work, break up the protest by any means, don't care if they get hurt etc. but this is all fine because it was the occupy movement so not racist.

now fast forward a year

bunch of protesters with no clear goals, block traffic piss people off etc.... people say things like must be nice to be able to get time off work, break up the protest by any means, don't care if they get hurt etc. mostly FN people and now it is racist.

so we should treat these new protesters differently because of the color of their skin? that's what you're saying?

did i get that right? just trying to understand your rules.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by AR_Six

There's not much point in having a discussion with a troll who would rather grandstand, tell people to "act like a man" and dramatically apply loaded labels to people like "racist" to everyone who disagrees with them than actually engage in real discussion of the issues. So if I'm condescending that's probably the reason why.

... Well, also, all evidence thus far in this thread has suggested that I am objectively better than you, so that's also in play.

How can you claim to be objective while defending racist pictures and stereotyping?

I bet you don't even know what the original "Idle no More" protest is about?

[moon]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

How can you claim to be objective while defending racist pictures and stereotyping?

I bet you don't even know what the original "Idle no More" protest is about?

What racist picture and stereotyping?

That picture is not racist. It is suggested to be used on the protestors of which many have already been shown to be white.

The picture is anti-protestor not anti-Native.

[AR_Six]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

How can you claim to be objective while defending racist pictures and stereotyping?

I believe I called the picture "in poor taste" and you'll have to quote where I defended sterotyping.

Also I did not claim to be objective (my views are clearly subjective), but rather objectively superior to you. That is, in kind of a Nietzschean sense; you know, "What is ape to man? A laughing stock or painful embarrassment". That sort of thing. I'm not sure who Zarathustra is in this analogy, but the details aren't crucial, I'm just saying that all evidence in this thread would suggest that you kind of suck in terms of your ability to function in relation to other people in society and thus the source of what you (probably correctly) perceive as condescension. I really do have little respect for trolls, even quality trolls such as yourself.

I bet you don't even know what the original "Idle no More" protest is about?

Quite right, troll. I am not entirely clear on this. My understanding was that it was a protest in response to changes implemented by a piece of omnibus legislation that were seen as degrading environmental protection afforded to waterways, as well as instituting a new rule whereby bands could enter into lease agreements for band land on the basis of a majority of votes at a meeting called by the Minister for Aboriginal Affairs rather than a simple majority of all band members entitled to vote. But those things are rarely mentioned and solutions to those issues (however the INM movement might like to present them which is also unclear) are not forthcoming from supporters so far as I've seen.

I have no motivation to research their perspective and feel that if you are protesting perceived injustices you are at minimum required to tell the general public what those perceived injustices are and how you propose they be remedied.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

I bet you don't even know what the original "Idle no More" protest is about?

I'd be more curious to know how many people blocking traffic and threatening others who don't support them even know what the protest is about.

[DuffMan]

Vulcan, I repectfully ask you to quit being so racist in this thread.
Your continued harrassment of the non-FN contributors to this thread trying to discuss the INM protests and Chief Spence's outlandish demands of the govt. is very racist.

[GreatWhiteEbola]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

This is a thread about the FN and it wasn't directed at the occupiers, it was directed at a specific race.

Did I say everyone was racist, just the ones spouting hatred at the FN people.

Then ignore them, not that difficult! The internet must be a daunting place for you, never read YouTube comments or news article comments, you will never be able to sleep.

Using racism is a scape goat and it's the last vestige for those who do not have an argument.