First nations will blockade roads as part of 'Idle No More' protest

[MelBridgeman]

I just noticed that everyone's favorite "will remain nameless" Greenpeace loony from Edmonton is all over the Chief Spence/idle no more cause, which is fine except I wonder if he knows that Spence eta are heavily invested in Big Oil.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by AR_Six

Actually, the cowcatcher doesn't discriminate. If anything it's promoting violence and the possible killing of people who stand in front of trains, regardless of ethnicity. Particularly in light of the fact that it's clear that a lot of people participating in these protests are not First Nations.

In other words, the objection is to people blockading roads and trains. The objection is not to First Nations specifically doing those things. Hence the picture is in poor taste, not racist.

Well coming to that conclusion involves the actual use of brainpower, Vulcan is much more interested in blindly throwing out claims of racism and making disgusting comparisons to skinheads.

[Rerun]

I applaud the effort of some FN's to protest any legislative changes that may negatively affect the environment (in their opinion), but perhaps they should put the same amount of effort into cleaning up their own back yard.

Attawapiskat.... Sure housing in a lot of cases is substandard but that no excuse for throwing your garbage everywhere so that it ends up looking like you live in the middle of a dump. Disgusting.

[evman150]

That looks positively idyllic compared to reserves around here.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by AR_Six

Actually, the cowcatcher doesn't discriminate. If anything it's promoting violence and the possible killing of people who stand in front of trains, regardless of ethnicity. Particularly in light of the fact that it's clear that a lot of people participating in these protests are not First Nations.

In other words, the objection is to people blockading roads and trains. The objection is not to First Nations specifically doing those things. Hence the picture is in poor taste, not racist.

LOL I'm sure that's what the poster was meaning, not.

It's a FN protest and the majority are FN and in the context of the insults thrown at FN in this thread, it's definitely directed at them. This whole thread is about their protest. You can dance around all you want but the truth is plain. At least be a man and take credit or discredit for your views.

People have been holding protests and marches for years and this is the first time in this country I've seen them being threatened with violence for a little inconvenience. A lot of the posters here are blinded by their hate and don't realize what they and you are saying, condoning and encouraging. It's easy to sit behind your monitors and spout your hate but I bet you wouldn't be doing it quite so bravely if you had to face your so called victims.

[Jacks]

Opposition, first nations to sign ‘declaration’ that will end chief’s hunger strike
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle7666112/

First nations leaders and representatives of the two federal opposition parties are preparing to sign a 13-point “declaration of commitment” on Thursday to end the hunger strike of Chief Theresa Spence of Attawapiskat which is now in its sixth week.

The declaration says Ms. Spence and Raymond Robinson, an elder from Cross Lake in Manitoba who has also been refusing solid food, will continue their hunger strike pending the outcome of the written declaration. But first nations leaders and others who have been trying to convince the chief to end her protest are hopeful that the fast will end when the document has been signed.

She is willing to deal with the opposition parties but not the government? Does she even understand how things work?

The declaration, a copy of which has been obtained by The Globe and Mail, recognizes the “self-sacrifice and spiritual courage” of Ms. Spence and Mr. Robinson and promises urgent and co-ordinated action to receive tangible results for first nations people.

End hunger protest or leave office: Band readies demand for Chief Theresa Spence, report says
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/01...e-report-says/

A band council delegation from the beleaguered Attawapiskat community is reportedly slated to fly into Ottawa to hand-deliver an ultimatum to Chief Theresa Spence on Wednesday afternoon, threatening to oust her from office unless she ends her liquid-diet protest.

Looks like this farce is ending soon anyway.

Hope I'm not a racist for posting this.

[AR_Six]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

LOL I'm sure that's what the poster was meaning, not.

It's a FN protest and the majority are FN and in the context of the insults thrown at FN in this thread, it's definitely directed at them. This whole thread is about their protest. You can dance around all you want but the truth is plain. At least be a man and take credit or discredit for your views.

First of all, you're intellectually dishonest as all hell so I don't think you should be lobbing personal attacks at anyone. Second, it's not like there's one white guy at these things. A significant proportion of these rallies is comprised of "allies" who either agree on an informed (to some extent or other) basis with some element of the INM cause. There are also a number of individuals who don't really understand the issues and simply want to go protest against "the man" in the vein of many occupy protestors. The fact that the people in this thread who oppose these marches don't seem to particularly care whether a protestor is actually native or just accompanying the protest for other reasons (legitimate or otherwise) would seem to undermine your viewpoint.

People have been holding protests and marches for years and this is the first time in this country I've seen them being threatened with violence for a little inconvenience.

Occupy movement. Plenty wanted that cleared out by any means necessary. The force contemplated here is not really any different from that which was contemplated in removing those people from Olympic Plaza or elsewhere. Of course, in general, the Occupy-ers just congregated in public areas, they didn't blockade roads or cause any intentional inconvenience to the general populace, for the most part.

Here is the difference, Vulcan.

Racist: I think First Nations people should be hurt or killed because (X), where (X) is "they should get jobs and stop blocking traffic" or "they protest and I disagree with their protests".

Not racist: I think people who blockade roads and trainways should be pushed out of the way with a cowcatcher.

I actually think the latter is what was intended. I would wager that the individual posting that image could not care less about the ethnicity of the a-holes blocking Mcleod Trail, or what their political motivations may be, and in fact just wants them to get the hell out of the way of traffic.

This is also a component of my perspective on this proposed protest march: I don't give a flying f*@# what you're for, if you choose to exercise your right to political free speech by breaking the law, the consequences of breaking that law apply to you (whether the appropriate consequence is a ticket or arrest).

I do not promote applying consequences of breaking a law by means of cowcatcher, but I suspect that that was tongue in cheek by the individual who posted it anyway, as no one actually expects a cowcatcher will be used to break up the protest. However, if in the judgment of the decision-makers responsible for effective law enforcement in this city the use of riot gear is necessary to disperse the protesters, I take no issue with the force that will necessarily accompany the use of those methods provided said methods are employed on reasonable grounds and said force is not excessive in the circumstances.

You can think otherwise, but it's pretty obvious you're just looking for a way to allege racism to somehow get the high ground here where none exists.

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

LOL I'm sure that's what the poster was meaning, not.

Can I borrow your mind reading crystal ball?

[Vulcan]

Jack

You're just reporting the news, nothing wrong with that. I guess posters need to learn some discernment. The first few pages of this thread were filled with insults towards the natives as a race and the name callers didn't even know what the protest was about. Later it devolved into running a semi and a train engine into the blockades and then the discussion went to how they could do it legally. Than we get the picture of a C train with a cow catcher attached to it. This is racially inspired hate and I have no qualms in calling the posters who engage in this racists.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Minnie

Can I borrow your mind reading crystal ball?

I think you should borrow Ar_6s crystal ball along with his dancing shoes.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Than we get the picture of a C train with a cow catcher attached to it. This is racially inspired hate and I have no qualms in calling the posters who engage in this racists.

Where is the picture of a cow catcher on a C Train? I would totally want to see that if it existed.

[Vulcan]

Not racist: I think people who blockade roads and trainways should be pushed out of the way with a cowcatcher.

If you believe that, you're one sick person.

[Swarly]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

If you believe that, you're one sick person.

but not racist!

as you seem to think, throwing that term around to anyone not agreeing with you/INM

[polak]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

If you believe that, you're one sick person.

Don't block the damn train and you won't have a freaking problem.

[Swarly]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Jack

You're just reporting the news, nothing wrong with that. I guess posters need to learn some discernment. The first few pages of this thread were filled with insults towards the natives as a race and the name callers didn't even know what the protest was about. Later it devolved into running a semi and a train engine into the blockades and then the discussion went to how they could do it legally. Than we get the picture of a C train with a cow catcher attached to it. This is racially inspired hate and I have no qualms in calling the posters who engage in this racists.

Seems to me the protesters still don't know what it is about, how is anyone else supposed to know or sympathize/support them.
Blocking traffic sure isn't the way to gain support, only a means of pissing everyone off, then they can look shocked that people are mad at them. That's when its time to throw the race card.

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Later it devolved into running a semi and a train engine into the blockades

No it didn't. The poster said he could see how this might devolve into that sort of of thing happening, not that he wanted it to happen, or that it should happen - just that the way things were going, chances were better than not, of it actually occurring.

the name callers didn't even know what the protest was about.

The INM bunch don't even know what they're protesting. They change the goalposts every 5 minutes, there's no cohesion or organization to what they actually want, other than to go out and yell a lot - that is how it comes across. If INM can't even get a cohesive statement agreed on, I don't think it's the fault of the general public, that they're never quite sure what INM is about. That is the fault of INM, not those who they claim they are trying to reach. But go ahead, don't take any responsibility for that.

Than we get the picture of a C train with a cow catcher attached to it. .

Go ahead. Post the picture of the C train with the cow catcher attached to it. We'll wait.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Swarly

but not racist!

as you seem to think, throwing that term around to anyone not agreeing with you/INM

Be proud, you're not a racist just a sicko.

[AR_Six]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

If you believe that, you're one sick person.

Christ, you can't actually be this dumb, you have to be doing it on purpose.

I didn't say I believed that. If you read one sentence below I specifically say I don't endorse that and I doubt anyone does. Earlier I said the picture was in poor taste. All I said in the quote you reproduced was that it isn't racist.

Am I being victimized by a troll here? Someone help me out. My troll-crystal-ball isn't working.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Minnie

No it didn't. The poster said he could see how this might devolve into that sort of of thing happening, not that he wanted it to happen, or that it should happen - just that the way things were going, chances were better than not, of it actually occurring.



Go ahead. Post the picture of the C train with the cow catcher attached to it. We'll wait.

It was posted in post #774 by chalms04 and I reposted it in #800 but since a lot of you haven't followed along and so aren't informed as to what is going on, here it is again.

with this quote "Time to retrofit the C-trains...."

[AR_Six]

I think the point was that that is not a C train with a cow catcher attached to it (actually it doesn't even appear to be a train, where are the tracks?)