Since when can we not focus on one problem because other problems exist? There are also bad governments in the world. Guess we can't talk about drinking and driving!
Maybe this problem isn't as big of a problem as people (yourself) in this thread are making it out to be? Not to mention most of the solutions of breed banning are ineffective and muzzling every dog over 50lbs is so absurd I don't even know where to begin.
This thread reminds me of the summer of the shark. Lots of media coverage of a problem that statistically wasn't much different than any other year. But every stayed away from beaches and freaked out.
Maybe this problem isn't as big of a problem as people (yourself) in this thread are making it out to be? Not to mention most of the solutions of breed banning are ineffective and muzzling every dog over 50lbs is so absurd I don't even know where to begin.
This thread reminds me of the summer of the shark. Lots of media coverage of a problem that statistically wasn't much different than any other year. But every stayed away from beaches and freaked out.
Holy sh*t if I have to address this one more time I'm going to implode. Nobody has proposed that even once.
You've said numerous times you want to ban pitbulls in the city no?
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Yes I have. And?
Ahhh, apologies. I see the confusion. Yes I have proposed breed banning. I meant to just bold the part about muzzling dogs over 50 lbs. I've never said that. Sorry, didn't mean to freak out.
Since when can we not focus on one problem because other problems exist? There are also bad governments in the world. Guess we can't talk about drinking and driving!
It's impossible to have any semblance of a rational conversation with you because it's like you're this little petulant child that crosses his arms and fails to see any points except ones that support his viewpoint.
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It's impossible to have any semblance of a rational conversation with you because it's like you're this little petulant child that crosses his arms and fails to see any points except ones that support his viewpoint.
You've held off on the petty little comments about the vile/disgusting/filthy animals lately (congrats on not looking so petty), but rational people look at both sides of the issue and weigh the arguments, something you're entirely unable to do on this issue.
You've held off on the petty little comments about the vile/disgusting/filthy animals lately (congrats on not looking so petty), but rational people look at both sides of the issue and weigh the arguments, something you're entirely unable to do on this issue.
-Failing to see how people are talking about the bigger issue of Big vs Small dogs and irresponsible owners on the whole are a problem. You're constantly totally missing the point(s). http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...85#post3987785
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But if Pylon's wiener dog isn't trained it can't rip a dog to shreds, injure another dog and maim a little girl while on a leash. A pit bull can and they do. That's the critical - and no offense, but obvious - difference.
I'll give you the Cole's Notes so we don't derail the thread:
Pee everywhere (can't be cleaned)
Poo everywhere (stinks and often isn't picked up)
Some dogs are dangerous
Smell bad and are dirty
Social expectation to touch dogs/let them touch you when you're at friends'/families' homes (you're an a-hole if you don't)
They bark and disrupt the peace of neighbourhoods
To be honest when they bark at me I usually stare straight ahead and keep walking.
That's just from this thread btw. You're a totally irrational person, especially when it comes to dogs and this thread. You lump people together as "group think" if they don't agree with you. You've described people walking their dogs as "roaming" and the way your daughter has the same fear that you passed on is irresponsible of you as a parent.
So yeah, to sum up, you're not rational, not in the slightest. I'll imagine you won't care and keep up your hilarious crusade though. You're just a whiner. You've complained in two separate threads how you can't believe the city isn't doing anything about this when you haven't done anything but whine like a girl on the internet about it.
It's a huge issue to you, that's about it. The only rational person in the world, Sliver on Calgarypuck.
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Hey you know what helps make aggressive dogs? Abuse, really solving the problem there.
Font size changes do not help make a point. The kick does not need to be hard to sent a message either
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If an unleashed dog is scaring your kid thats not cool, I get it. If the dog is being aggressive, I get it.
If the dog is just running around and your kid is scared and you kick it, you're a real p.o.s. That is bad ownership, and I completely agree something should be done, but wow. If you kicked a dog that wasn't being aggressive and then it bit you, I would say you got what you deserved.
I thought it was implied that the dog was in the face so to speak - my mistake for not making that clear. If the dog was simply running around freely in a non-offleash area I would take it up with the owners.
Next, the kick may not be the first course of action but it would be an option. First, I said that is was not an offleash area. Second, the owners laughed it off. I suppose the next course would be physically removing the dog from the area and the last course would be aggression (mine). If I got bit, then I can at least say I accomplished my goal of protecting my daughter. I may also have got what I deserved but the onus will still be on the owner if the dog was not leashed. I don't give a rat's ass if you or anybody else thinks I am a pos for protecting my kid.
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Teach your child how to act around dogs they will encounter them in their life, just like you teach them how to act around traffic. Setting an example of kicking a dog that is scaring them is going to get them in trouble at some point.
I will and I will do it on my terms and not a result of irresponsible owners being idiots.
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Most dog owners I have been around do have a degree of control over their dogs, guess we have a stalemate on that topic, since it's based purely on our personal experience. I agree there are a lot of bad owners, but that is because there are a lot of awful people out there. I certainly don't think they are the majority, and really that's mostly just subjective anyway.
I thought I was being (extremely) generous in saying 50%. I would hazard a guess that it is well below that. I suppose that by qualifying your statement with "a degree of control", it would increase the percentage significantly.
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I do agree with you on untrained dogs though. It drives me crazy when someone has a dog that is completely out of control and clearly has no training at all, gives all dog owners a bad name, and can be dangerous on top of that.
That is basically what I said - just that I would take action in order to protect my kid when she is afraid or in danger. The fact that you don't agree with the course of action is irrelevant to me. I don't know the dog nor its' tendencies and in this situation I would never give the benefit of the doubt to an unknown dog.
Finally, this is pretty much all theoretical for me as I will soon be moving back to a place where dog ownership is extremely uncommon.
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What world do you guys live in where dog owners are irresponsible at 50% level? Not saying they are perfect, but sounds like an aggressive number which the numbers do not really support. I frequent a number of off-leash areas and have had maybe two incidents with dog on dog in 15 years (more a smaller dog getting frightened by a big dog, then a dog being aggressive) and never an outright attack.
There is only one area that a dog should be off-leash and that is a designated park (I've even admit in another dog walking thread I was a little misguided about dogs being off-leash) and never have I walked around where a dog was just running up and around communites, unless it escaped from the yard or something.
That is in 3 communities of Bridlewood, Varsity and Mission.
Holy crap man, you're going to have to give me a bit to respond to this. My gut says there is going to be some stuff taken out of context, but I'd rather reply after looking through all of what you posted than giving a knee-jerk response. And my god, get back to work.
-Failing to see how people are talking about the bigger issue of Big vs Small dogs and irresponsible owners on the whole are a problem. You're constantly totally missing the point(s). http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...85#post3987785
That's just from this thread btw. You're a totally irrational person, especially when it comes to dogs and this thread. You lump people together as "group think" if they don't agree with you. You've described people walking their dogs as "roaming" and the way your daughter has the same fear that you passed on is irresponsible of you as a parent.
So yeah, to sum up, you're not rational, not in the slightest. I'll imagine you won't care and keep up your hilarious crusade though. You're just a whiner. You've complained in two separate threads how you can't believe the city isn't doing anything about this when you haven't done anything but whine like a girl on the internet about it.
It's a huge issue to you, that's about it. The only rational person in the world, Sliver on Calgarypuck
This will only keeping him harping on and on....
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What world do you guys live in where dog owners are irresponsible at 50% level? Not saying they are perfect, but sounds like an aggressive number which the numbers do not really support. I frequent a number of off-leash areas and have had maybe two incidents with dog on dog in 15 years (more a smaller dog getting frightened by a big dog, then a dog being aggressive) and never an outright attack.
There is only one area that a dog should be off-leash and that is a designated park (I've even admit in another dog walking thread I was a little misguided about dogs being off-leash) and never have I walked around where a dog was just running up and around communites, unless it escaped from the yard or something.
That is in 3 communities of Bridlewood, Varsity and Mission.
Depends on your definition of irresponsible. A dog barking more than once is irresponsible to me, but I'd guess you guys find barking perfectly acceptable in your neighbourhoods.
A dog coming up to me and my family is something I would consider rude on the part of the owner (leashed or not, I don't want a dog touching me), but I'd guess you wouldn't find that irresponsible, either.
An owner that lets their dog take a crunch on the ground and doesn't pick it up is irresponsible.
An owner that lets their dog urinate anywhere other than their own back yard while within the city is irresponsible.
Basically, I think it would be impossible for us to agree about what we find irresponsible. IMO, every dog owner is irresponsible as they would be guilty of probably all of the above (I think there would be some that would keep their dog away from my family, however, which is always appreciated).
