The Ongoing Dog Attack Mega-Thread

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Okay well know what is pushing my buttons? This notion that I'm pushing a ban of all dogs or all large dogs in this thread. I'm doing neither.

It's not a secret that I would prefer a dog-free city, but that's certainly not an agenda I'm pushing as I know it's unrealistic. Muzzles are a great first step as that would be cheap to institute and could basically happen over night. Breed bans on dangerous dogs like pit bulls, rottweilers and maybe others are also another good step. I'm being painted as an extremist for these ideas but a lot of other cities/provinces/states are doing just that. It's not crazy at all. Just on CP for some reason unbeknownst to me.

I thought the Internet was supposed to like cats, anyway.

I can't speak for others, but that isn't what has lead me to paint you as an extremist. What has lead me to paint you as an extremist is your over the top presentation, your continued generalizations and use of snippy little comments intended to rile people up and your complete ignorance on much of what you talk about. Add in the 'who me?' act and it's a bit much. Honestly, if you cut out the first two I'd probably agree with a decent amount of what you say, as would others.

[HerbalMagic]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Okay well know what is pushing my buttons? This notion that I'm pushing a ban of all dogs or all large dogs in this thread. I'm doing neither.

It's not a secret that I would prefer a dog-free city, but that's certainly not an agenda I'm pushing as I know it's unrealistic. Muzzles are a great first step as that would be cheap to institute and could basically happen over night. Breed bans on dangerous dogs like pit bulls, rottweilers and maybe others are also another good step. I'm being painted as an extremist for these ideas but a lot of other cities/provinces/states are doing just that. It's not crazy at all. Just on CP for some reason unbeknownst to me.

I thought the Internet was supposed to like cats, anyway.

Do some research into the effectiveness of the breed bans in Ontario. There is a reason they are in the process of repealing it.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by valo403

I can't speak for others, but that isn't what has lead me to paint you as an extremist. What has lead me to paint you as an extremist is your over the top presentation, your continued generalizations and use of snippy little comments intended to rile people up and your complete ignorance on much of what you talk about. Add in the 'who me?' act and it's a bit much. Honestly, if you cut out the first two I'd probably agree with a decent amount of what you say, as would others.

valo403, I appreciate your concern, but I honestly heard you the first four times you told me the exact same thing. My posting style isn't here to please you and I try to refrain from busting your chops when your smugness pours out of your posts, down my monitor and soaks into my keyboard then drips onto my pants. Post however you like and I'll do the same.

Since you seem incapable of commenting on what I say, instead just focusing on the manner in which I say it (you don't like it, but that's subjective), have you considered putting me on your ignore list?

[TheGrimm]

Originally Posted by HerbalMagic

Do some research into the effectiveness of the breed bans in Ontario. There is a reason they are in the process of repealing it.

I also have serious doubts as to the efficacy of muzzling dogs in public. This is a band-aid which will lead more terrible owners to do less training with their dogs and this could lead to more issues.

I can just see owners letting their aggresive dogs do whatever they want without correcting poor behaviour. I see enough of it now without having muzzles.

I am not saying I am 100% against it, but I think studies would need to be done before we actually try and push something that drastic through.

[undercoverbrother]

So after 35 pages, I can come to the conclusion the only option is to ban Sliver.

[TheGrimm]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Okay well know what is pushing my buttons? This notion that I'm pushing a ban of all dogs or all large dogs in this thread. I'm doing neither.

It's not a secret that I would prefer a dog-free city, but that's certainly not an agenda I'm pushing as I know it's unrealistic. Muzzles are a great first step as that would be cheap to institute and could basically happen over night. Breed bans on dangerous dogs like pit bulls, rottweilers and maybe others are also another good step. I'm being painted as an extremist for these ideas but a lot of other cities/provinces/states are doing just that. It's not crazy at all. Just on CP for some reason unbeknownst to me.

I thought the Internet was supposed to like cats, anyway.

I don't think people here are ignorant to the fact that dog attacks against other dogs or people are a bad thing. It's just that most of us are not in your position, and most of us enjoy the companionship of dogs. It's generally not THAT hard to avoid dogs on a daily basis for most people if they don't like them, and while I am not familiar with your exact situation, you make it sound as though every time you exit your home you are being molested by a pack of wild dogs.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Sliver

valo403, I appreciate your concern, but I honestly heard you the first four times you told me the exact same thing. My posting style isn't here to please you and I try to refrain from busting your chops when your smugness pours out of your posts, down my monitor and soaks into my keyboard then drips onto my pants. Post however you like and I'll do the same.

Since you seem incapable of commenting on what I say, instead just focusing on the manner in which I say it (you don't like it, but that's subjective), have you considered putting me on your ignore list?

Sorry about you pants

[FlamesAddiction]

Did someone really say that; "dogs are a part of society"?



Out society may give them an elevated status in some situations compared to other beasts, but no way are they part of our society. We certainly don't share customs and laws with them, which is integral to being part of a society.

[Old Yeller]

Sigh... the amount of people being intentionally obtuse in this thread makes me want to buy some keyboard muzzles.

[The Big Chill]

Muzzles won't help. I don't know what the statistics say, but I would imagine that most dog bites occur either on the owner of the dog's property, or when a dog has escaped from the owner's property. Dogs are never going to be required to have muzzles on their own property, so none of the bites occuring in these instances would be prevented anyway.

I think it would a better idea to increase fines for dogs being off leash outside of designated areas. Owners might be more inclinded to keep thier dog on a leash and make their back yards more secure if the fines were steeper and enforced more often.

I'm a dog person, but I don't think its unreasonable to require dogs to be kept under control. Bad dog owners annoy me a lot more then dog "haters".

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Did someone really say that; "dogs are a part of society"?



Out society may give them an elevated status in some situations compared to other beasts, but no way are they part of our society. We certainly don't share customs and laws with them, which is integral to being part of a society.

Yes we do share customs with them. The term man's best friend is there for a reason. During our hunting/gathering days we fostered a relationship with dogs and came to depend on each other. Now they have transitioned into companions.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

So after 35 pages, I can come to the conclusion the only option is to ban Sliver.

That's been tried once before actually...

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

That's been tried once before actually...

I think we've firmly established a Pit Bull could get rid of him.

Just kidding. I'm on his side.

Cowperson

[Kybosh]

Pretty much nothing Sliver has proposed would affect me in the slightest. I own a mostly mild mannered golden retriever and have pretty much 0 plans of ever owning a pit bull type dog or other reputation dogs like rotties. I just don't think any breed ban would actually work.

[TheGrimm]

Originally Posted by Kybosh

Pretty much nothing Sliver has proposed would affect me in the slightest. I own a mostly mild mannered golden retriever and have pretty much 0 plans of ever owning a pit bull type dog or other reputation dogs like rotties. I just don't think any breed ban would actually work.

Don't kid yourself... That is just his starting point... Everytime Sliver mentions muzzling dogs, he always says "as a starting point". He has plans nefarious plans to rid the world of our evil canine minions.

[V]

Originally Posted by Zevo

What is your problem? Just because there are a few bad owners out there?

Shoot, I should have quoted you before you edited out your crazy irrational name calling rant.

And to answer your question, I wouldn't have a problem if there were just a few bad owners out there. So many owners lack control over their dogs, it's comical. I honestly don't know how they live with it. The little yippy monsters for example. I always get a kick out of the number of people with these little things that go insane whenever the doorbell rings. When I have the pleasure of selling chocolate almonds with my kids every year it always amazes me. No control at all. How do you live like that??

And the dog owners that love to let their dogs off leash in a playground so that the dog can jump all over my baby. You can't even tell the owner to leash they're dog, because they just tell you, "oh, my dog loves kids, it's fine". No, fatanuts, it's not fine.

No, there are plenty of bad dog owners. I find it surprising that it can even be argued. It's no different than any cross-section of people. There are far more idiots out there than not. Just check out the GMG thread for constant reminders. I don't know why dog owners would somehow be different.

[AFireInside]

It's their house if they don't mind their dogs barking like crazy it's up to them. I don't know how my neighbors can live with their three toddlers screaming non-stop. But it doesn't affect me all that much so whatever. I certainly hear screaming kids far more often than barking dogs in my neighborhood how do they live like that? (Yes I know dogs aren't equal to kids) but I can't understand how aot of people live the way they live.

As for owners leaving their dogs off leash in non off leash areas, that is completely unacceptable and you need to stand your ground on that. You can do it without being rude, and hopefully the owner acts accordingly.

There are bad owners, parents, drivers, etc. I don't see people calling for bans on those aspects of society when they are much more dangerous.

No one here has said that there aren't bad owners but you need to get over yourself a little bit when stating there are way more idiots out there than not. I guarantee you there are times you are out and about and you do something you may not be aware of and those around you who don't know you are thinking you are an idiot. They don't know you and are basing their judgement of you on a brief interaction.

Once again, dog attacks are very rare if you avoid dog parks, and dog owners homes it's appears to be less than half of a half of 1%.

Originally Posted by V

Shoot, I should have quoted you before you edited out your crazy irrational name calling rant.

And to answer your question, I wouldn't have a problem if there were just a few bad owners out there. So many owners lack control over their dogs, it's comical. I honestly don't know how they live with it. The little yippy monsters for example. I always get a kick out of the number of people with these little things that go insane whenever the doorbell rings. When I have the pleasure of selling chocolate almonds with my kids every year it always amazes me. No control at all. How do you live like that??

And the dog owners that love to let their dogs off leash in a playground so that the dog can jump all over my baby. You can't even tell the owner to leash they're dog, because they just tell you, "oh, my dog loves kids, it's fine". No, fatanuts, it's not fine.

No, there are plenty of bad dog owners. I find it surprising that it can even be argued. It's no different than any cross-section of people. There are far more idiots out there than not. Just check out the GMG thread for constant reminders. I don't know why dog owners would somehow be different.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by V

Shoot, I should have quoted you before you edited out your crazy irrational name calling rant.

And to answer your question, I wouldn't have a problem if there were just a few bad owners out there. So many owners lack control over their dogs, it's comical. I honestly don't know how they live with it. The little yippy monsters for example. I always get a kick out of the number of people with these little things that go insane whenever the doorbell rings. When I have the pleasure of selling chocolate almonds with my kids every year it always amazes me. No control at all. How do you live like that??

And the dog owners that love to let their dogs off leash in a playground so that the dog can jump all over my baby. You can't even tell the owner to leash they're dog, because they just tell you, "oh, my dog loves kids, it's fine". No, fatanuts, it's not fine.

No, there are plenty of bad dog owners. I find it surprising that it can even be argued. It's no different than any cross-section of people. There are far more idiots out there than not. Just check out the GMG thread for constant reminders. I don't know why dog owners would somehow be different.

I didn't edit it, a mod did, and I would repeat it but I don't want to get banned. I stand by what I said. You come across a like completely self-entitled 'bleep'. If the crappy dog owners enter your precious little sphere of comfort, deal with them. It pisses me off when people generalize because of a bad experience or two. There are bad and/or annoying parents out there too but I won't assume you or anyone else is just because my crappy neighbor bellows at her kid like a frackin fishwife.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

Yes we do share customs with them. The term man's best friend is there for a reason. During our hunting/gathering days we fostered a relationship with dogs and came to depend on each other. Now they have transitioned into companions.

So when you meet a new dog, do you introduce yourself by sniffing its butt... maybe hump a little leg? When you have dinner guests, the alpha eats first and afterwards you celebrate by ripping up the neighbour's garbage?

Forcing them into a relationship with humans doesn't make them part society. In fact, the way dogs behave would be considered extremely anti-social if we applied the same societal and social behaviour expectations to dogs as we did humans.

[Jbo]

You know what is really annoying? When some neighbor decides to bring his kids up to sell almonds or popcorn or some other thing I didn't ask for, and disrupts the peace in my house on a weekend. Should put muzzles and leashes on those kids. They tend to run across the yard while the parents follow in the mini van sipping there coffee.

In fact, I'm somewhat terrified of kids. They carry disease, puke, smell and make noise. I mean, I understand they need to socialize, so maybe they could do it in a compound outside the city. That way my sphere in the city is protected.

I mean kids aren't part of society. There too young. Can't vote, don't pay taxes. Forget them! Throw them into the wild and if they come back as 18 year old tax paying citizens, then they can stay. Spartan style.

Or yknow..we could be reasonable about this...