The Ongoing Dog Attack Mega-Thread

[Vulcan]

I don't think these dogs should be totally banned. Take huskies for instance, if you use them for pulling a dog sled, that's fine. Likewise if you have a pitbull and use it for dog fighting, that should be fine as well. It's just too bad dog fighting is banned.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Thank you, finally an answer that has some reasoning to it.

lol you really needed that spelled out for you?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Sliver

lol you really needed that spelled out for you?

You weren't able to do it.

[Old Yeller]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Not sure if you are serious, but who cares about dogs socializing with other dogs... Muzzles would prevent these animals from biting people, which is way more important.

Just can't take you seriously if you're so ignorant you can't even understand that.

This from the guy arguing against dogs time after time and you don't even understand the benefits of socialization.

Do me a favor and at least educate yourself before you just spout off nonsense... just go type "benefits of dog socialization" into google and click on a link... ANY link.

If you demonstrated that because of this thread you were becoming some what less of an ignorant ass it might be easier to take you seriously... as it is right now I, and most other RESPONSIBLE dog owners in this thread just feel like we're talking to a wall.

[Kybosh]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Not sure if you are serious, but who cares about dogs socializing with other dogs... Muzzles would prevent these animals from biting people, which is way more important.

It isn't just socializing with other dogs. You are very ignorant in this whole area. Well socialized dogs in all scenarios are far less likely to be loose cannons. Muzzles only prevent bites when they're used and we're only talking when pit bull type breeds are in public. A hell of a lot of dog bites happen inside houses where I very much doubt any owner would put a muzzle on their dog. Poor socialization is why dogs get anxious and aggressive.

Another thing, how would this all be enforced? Waiting for dog attacks to occur then penalizing if they weren't wearing a muzzle? I go to a dog park about 3-4 times every week and I have never seen a bylaw officer anywhere where dogs congregate. On the rare dog fight I've seen, the parties just disperse and would be long gone before anyone would be able to give a ticket.

[Old Yeller]

You guys and your "facts".

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by fotze

That is probably one of the top indicators of a crappy dog owner. Dogs that do not get socialized, bite.

Thats true, I have never seen a bylaw officer at a dog park.

I think owners not picking up poo is a worse problem than the biting thing, its disgusting and zero enforcement.

I have found that River Park has a pretty good enforcement policy by the patrons. My wife took more than about 20 seconds to locate a poop bag and had some woman yell at her.

[flamesfever]

nm

[Flames_Gimp]

ban ####ty owners...

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Sliver

lol you really needed that spelled out for you?

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

You weren't able to do it.

Let's break this down.

Originally Posted by flamesfever

1. It has been shown to be effective in preventing aggressive dogs from injuring other dogs or people.

^ That wasn't obvious? You really didn't know muzzles would be effective at preventing aggressive dogs from biting? I don't believe you.

Originally Posted by flamesfever

2. It would ease the apprehension for people at dogwalks who have non aggressive dogs.

^ Nor that? Wouldn't you feel safer if an attacking pit bull had a muzzle?

Originally Posted by flamesfever

3. It would avoid the difficulties associated with banning dogs.

Even I have said that muzzles would be a good step and I am pro-banning. A lot of other people have said the same. Table 5 being one respected poster I can think of off the top of my head.

Originally Posted by flamesfever

4. It could be easily regulated by having owners declare, on their dog licence, whether their dog has any pitbull in them or not.

I concede this one was probably less obvious, but a good idea none the less.

Originally Posted by flamesfever

5. It could be done in conjunction with stiff fines for non compliance.

Again, this is fairly obvious MMF.

I think flamesfever did a good job of breaking this down, but really a lot of these were obvious. I mean, the fact that you needed somebody to tell you that a muzzle would prevent a dog bite is a little ridiculous. I thought you understood why a muzzle would work. Had it occurred to me you needed an explanation like the above I would have provided one.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Old Yeller

Just can't take you seriously if you're so ignorant you can't even understand that.

This from the guy arguing against dogs time after time and you don't even understand the benefits of socialization.

Do me a favor and at least educate yourself before you just spout off nonsense... just go type "benefits of dog socialization" into google and click on a link... ANY link.

If you demonstrated that because of this thread you were becoming some what less of an ignorant ass it might be easier to take you seriously... as it is right now I, and most other RESPONSIBLE dog owners in this thread just feel like we're talking to a wall.

I understand socialization is a benefit to the dog, but I don't care. That's maybe where there is a disconnect between your position and mine. You think your dog matters (on an inherent level) and I disagree. I care "0" about whether your dog is socialized or not. My position is keep it away from me and prevent it from being able to bite me/my family.

My position isn't ignorant--it's fair. Nothing I have or do affects you. Nothing I own walks around making loud abrasive noises, crapping, peeing, or attacking. I don't think you can empathize with my position because you and I don't see dogs in the same light, but you're not talking to a wall. I get what you're saying, but I don't think you get what I'm saying.

Feel free to rent a compound out of town out of sight/smell/sound from me and socialize your dog to your heart's content. I just don't see why I have to be put at risk so Truck Nutz Brent can socialize his pit bull. That's what I mean when I say I don't care about dog socialization. It's a low priority to me relative to public safety.

Originally Posted by Kybosh

It isn't just socializing with other dogs. You are very ignorant in this whole area. Well socialized dogs in all scenarios are far less likely to be loose cannons. Muzzles only prevent bites when they're used and we're only talking when pit bull type breeds are in public. A hell of a lot of dog bites happen inside houses where I very much doubt any owner would put a muzzle on their dog. Poor socialization is why dogs get anxious and aggressive.

Another thing, how would this all be enforced? Waiting for dog attacks to occur then penalizing if they weren't wearing a muzzle? I go to a dog park about 3-4 times every week and I have never seen a bylaw officer anywhere where dogs congregate. On the rare dog fight I've seen, the parties just disperse and would be long gone before anyone would be able to give a ticket.

Enforcement is a red herring to me. How many cops are in Calgary? Well, 2000 sworn members according to Wiki. Maybe there are 400 or so on duty at any given time (that's probably high) for a city of 1,000,000. Police don't keep a population in line. People generally follow laws because people generally follow laws. I remember learning about it in a sociology or psychology class in university, but it's normal phenomenon.

If a muzzle was mandatory for these vicious breeds, there would be a lot of compliance. A couple well-publicized blitzes a year would probably increase compliance. Just because a law may be hard to enforce, doesn't mean that law shouldn't be in place. As well, if there is a biting incidence and somebody hadn't been following the law, it likely makes the penalty more severe and easier to administer, though I'm not sure on that.

On socialization, as I said above let that happen away from the public where I don't have to be concerned about an attacking dog. In the city and in public, throw your muzzle on.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Sliver

On socialization, as I said above let that happen away from the public where I don't have to be concerned about an attacking dog. In the city and in public, throw your muzzle on.

"Socialization best occurs with no one from outside society involved" - No one ever

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

"Socialization best occurs with no one from outside society involved" - No one ever

I was envisioning more a secure dog paddock of sorts where dog owners could gather outside of Calgary if they didn't want their dog to wear a muzzle. Inside the city muzzles should be mandatory.

[WilderPegasus]

Maybe we could follow the lead from the US and have everyone arm themselves with what ever gun they want so that we can defend ourselves from the tyranny of pitbulls. If a pitbull snares at you the wrong way then you have the right to shoot him in the head.

[Old Yeller]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I understand socialization is a benefit to the dog, but I don't care. That's maybe where there is a disconnect between your position and mine. You think your dog matters (on an inherent level) and I disagree. I care "0" about whether your dog is socialized or not. My position is keep it away from me and prevent it from being able to bite me/my family.

While I appreciate the fact you mostly wrote a non ignorant message and attempted to explain your reasoning, the fact remains a well socialized dog has about the same probability of running up to someone and biting them as your daughter does.

Sadly I think it's you that needs the compound outside the city Sliver. Make sure those walls are at least 10 feet, some of these dogs can really jump.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I was envisioning more a secure dog paddock of sorts where dog owners could gather outside of Calgary if they didn't want their dog to wear a muzzle. Inside the city muzzles should be mandatory.

It's quotes like this that make me seriously wonder if this isn't one gigantic troll job by you. A doggy concentration camp...awesome.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by WilderPegasus

Maybe we could follow the lead from the US and have everyone arm themselves with what ever gun they want so that we can defend ourselves from the tyranny of pitbulls. If a pitbull snares at you the wrong way then you have the right to shoot him in the head.

you have it backwards, we should be arming ourselves with pit bulls to defend against the guns.

[AFireInside]

Based on your crazy over the top responses you're probably the one who belongs in a compound away from everyone.

I get it, you're afraid of dogs but that doesn't mean you need to be irrational about it..

Your kids walk around making tons of noise, etc, especially when they are little. Just deal with it,

Your trying to make it sound like there are an insane amount of dog attacks in Calgary, and that every time you leave your house you are in danger of being murdered.

Dog attacks aren't that common and often take place within the owners home, or yard. So man up a little bit and stop being a drama queen.

If you want to debate the topic try not to be an irrational over the top diva and I think you'll get a better reception.

Originally Posted by Sliver

I understand socialization is a benefit to the dog, but I don't care. That's maybe where there is a disconnect between your position and mine. You think your dog matters (on an inherent level) and I disagree. I care "0" about whether your dog is socialized or not. My position is keep it away from me and prevent it from being able to bite me/my family.

My position isn't ignorant--it's fair. Nothing I have or do affects you. Nothing I own walks around making loud abrasive noises, crapping, peeing, or attacking. I don't think you can empathize with my position because you and I don't see dogs in the same light, but you're not talking to a wall. I get what you're saying, but I don't think you get what I'm saying.

Feel free to rent a compound out of town out of sight/smell/sound from me and socialize your dog to your heart's content. I just don't see why I have to be put at risk so Truck Nutz Brent can socialize his pit bull. That's what I mean when I say I don't care about dog socialization. It's a low priority to me relative to public safety.



Enforcement is a red herring to me. How many cops are in Calgary? Well, 2000 sworn members according to Wiki. Maybe there are 400 or so on duty at any given time (that's probably high) for a city of 1,000,000. Police don't keep a population in line. People generally follow laws because people generally follow laws. I remember learning about it in a sociology or psychology class in university, but it's normal phenomenon.

If a muzzle was mandatory for these vicious breeds, there would be a lot of compliance. A couple well-publicized blitzes a year would probably increase compliance. Just because a law may be hard to enforce, doesn't mean that law shouldn't be in place. As well, if there is a biting incidence and somebody hadn't been following the law, it likely makes the penalty more severe and easier to administer, though I'm not sure on that.

On socialization, as I said above let that happen away from the public where I don't have to be concerned about an attacking dog. In the city and in public, throw your muzzle on.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

Based on your crazy over the top responses you're probably the one who belongs in a compound away from everyone.

I get it, you're afraid of dogs but that doesn't mean you need to be irrational about it..

Your kids walk around making tons of noise, etc, especially when they are little. Just deal with it,

Your trying to make it sound like there are an insane amount of dog attacks in Calgary, and that every time you leave your house you are in danger of being murdered.

Dog attacks aren't that common and often take place within the owners home, or yard. So man up a little bit and stop being a drama queen.

If you want to debate the topic try not to be an irrational over the top diva and I think you'll get a better reception.

Your bizarre response had nothing whatsoever to do with what I wrote/what you quoted.

[flamesfever]

Whether you are a dog lover or hater, and even though the risk is low, I agree with Sliver that it's important that something is done about pitbulls. Perhaps if enough of us contact the City of Calgary, and express our concerns, the problem will be addressed.