Khari Jones traded to Calgary

[browna]

Originally posted by JayP+Sep 26 2004, 10:11 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JayP @ Sep 26 2004, 10:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-snappyk@Sep 26 2004, 03:52 PM
Flemming, Regimbald and Lysak for a hurt QB, wait to go Matt.

Yeah because the fact that Jones is hurt really means a lot to us right now...

You guys complain about Crandell all year and Dunnigan gets you an ex-MVP quarterback...yet you still complain.

Regimbald for Bowles is a wash.

Fleming has about 0 trade value. A free agent to be who is widely known to be on the trading block and has a major problem with his coach.

The loss of Lysack will hurt, but you have to deal from your strengths for your weaknesses. We now have a bonifide starting QB and our defense is still very, very good. Lysack was a solid Canadian, but he is still on the bottom half of importance of our starters on defense (with guys like Boese, Grace, White, Maxie, Evans, Coe, and Clark ahead of him). [/b][/quote]
Right on.

If K Jones is 100% next year, when games matter again, this trade is well worth it.

It seems some people think anything less than Casey Printers, and its a bad trade.

Basic fullback for fullback. A wash.

Something going on behind the scenes with Fleming the last 2 years.

As mentioned Lysack will hurt, but finding another LB is a bit easier then getting a proven CFL QB.

Plus we scooped WPG last year when we got John Grace.

Crandell is gone as a FA in a month.

Lets look at the other options. As much as I like Dave Dickenson, I'd take Jones and his injury over Dave's. Jones is also going to have some fire in his belly after his Winnipeg treatment. Plus, he's a cocky SOB when he's playing well, and some of that attitude can't hurt.

Other options? Well the Stamps are the only team Damon Allen hasn't played for.

One of the Sask QB's next year (Burris or Greene)? No thanks to Burris, and I assume Greene is going to be the hero next year in Sask, and, knowing thier fans, the entire season was so so because they didn't have Greene.

Add to the PR optics of getting a higher profile QB, before the end of the season so that they can get some positive press, after a win to boot, and this trade makes some sense.

Fans are screaming for something to be done, and something was done, with a top end CFL QB.

[AvengeR]

Also, KJ would be a heck of a lot better mentor to the young QB's than Crandell.

[zarrell]

Originally posted by AvengeR@Sep 26 2004, 10:25 AM

Funny thing is, from the initial coments from Bomber fans , they are not pleased with the trade either.

I am a Bomber fan and am quite thrilled with this trade. Wes Lysak is exactly what they need in their secondary and if Joe Flemming can sign a contract extension - awesome. The thing is, with Jones' contract at $350k a year for another 2 years that really hinders the Bombers in signing free agents (Flemming, etc.) and Khari has done nothing in almost 2 years anyway. It's time to give Glenn or Tee Martin a chance (both younger guys) and go from there.

[Fire]

I like the trade. We get a bonafide #1 QB. Can't complain about that. People seem to really like Lysak, but wasn't he scratched for a game or 2 this season?

[I_H8_Crawford]

Originally posted by Fire@Sep 26 2004, 06:04 PM
I like the trade. We get a bonafide #1 QB. Can't complain about that. People seem to really like Lysak, but wasn't he scratched for a game or 2 this season?

I can't remember if it was a scratch or injury.

BUt adding on to your idea, Boese will replace Lysak at Safety, and then we need a new HB in to replace Boese - which is harder to find? A decent #1 QB, or a HB????

I'd put my money on it being easier to replace a halfback than find a good QB.

[calgaryred]

So after this trade we still need a QB! I can't believe Matt just made this team worse. Khari Jones has never been the same since the Stamps gave him a blow to the head in grey cup 2001. Khari is a overpaid pilon that is Calgary's problem now. Thanks Matt! Why couldn't he wait until the off season to try and acquire talent?

[browna]

Originally posted by calgaryred@Sep 26 2004, 02:46 PM
Why couldn't he wait until the off season to try and acquire talent?

Like who? It'd be hard to trade an asset like Fleming in the offseason when he's a FA.

Dickenson?
Burris?
Greene?
Allen?
McManus?

That's if they are available, and other then the old untocuhable Allen, noone is lighting it up this year, and are fairly old.

A current backup on another CFL team? We have 3 or 4 right now.
A disgruntled ex NFL'er or backup NFL'er hoping to get some reps?

All things considered, I think this works out for both teams and both of the main players involved.

[zarrell]

Originally posted by Fire@Sep 26 2004, 12:04 PM
I like the trade. We get a bonafide #1 QB. Can't complain about that. People seem to really like Lysak, but wasn't he scratched for a game or 2 this season?

It was Boese that was scratched from a few games.

[Trojan97]

Lysack is a decent safety (not a LB guys) but he has 15 tackles this season in 10 games and his picks came in two huge games. Add that to the fact his coverage is sketchy and I don't think he's the huge loss some people are making him out to be. If he wasn't a NI he wouldn't even be on the roster.

[flambers]

I like the trade, Jones is a true #1 guy that needed a change. Flemmig would never resign with the Stamps anyhow. As for 4 QB's, Crandell is A Free Agent as well. Not to mention he is hurt.

[Sammie]

Originally posted by Fire@Sep 26 2004, 12:04 PM
I like the trade. We get a bonafide #1 QB. Can't complain about that. People seem to really like Lysak, but wasn't he scratched for a game or 2 this season?

What do you mean "bonafide"? This guy's done absolutely nothing since he got his big contract. Just like like Crandell has done nothing since he got his big contract.

Let's face it. we got screwed again! We send three hard-working honest players to Winnipeg and we get back a no-name player, an over-paid no-show player and an unknown draft pick. We just became a much worse team and this is what will continue as long as we have this joker for an owner.

[I_H8_Crawford]

Originally posted by Sammie+Sep 26 2004, 10:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Sammie @ Sep 26 2004, 10:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Fire@Sep 26 2004, 12:04 PM
I like the trade. We get a bonafide #1 QB. Can't complain about that. People seem to really like Lysak, but wasn't he scratched for a game or 2 this season?

What do you mean "bonafide"? This guy's done absolutely nothing since he got his big contract. Just like like Crandell has done nothing since he got his big contract.

Let's face it. we got screwed again! We send three hard-working honest players to Winnipeg and we get back a no-name player, an over-paid no-show player and an unknown draft pick. We just became a much worse team and this is what will continue as long as we have this joker for an owner. [/b][/quote]
So who should we have got at QB??

Printers??? Yeah I'm sure Wally would have no problem sending Printers our way for Fleming if Matt had asked him nicely.

What's easier to find/replace? A safety/HB & a FB, or a #1 QB???

At least Khari was able to MOVE the Bombers and even get them in the endzone once in a while... when was the last time Crandell did that for Calgary???

Our D is still going to be dominant, we never use our FB anyways, so no big loss there, and we finally have a QB who has done more than just get hot for 5 games in one season.

[Sammie]

Originally posted by I_H8_Crawford@Sep 26 2004, 04:38 PM
So who should we have got at QB??

Printers??? Yeah I'm sure Wally would have no problem sending Printers our way for Fleming if Matt had asked him nicely.

What's easier to find/replace? A safety/HB & a FB, or a #1 QB???

At least Khari was able to MOVE the Bombers and even get them in the endzone once in a while... when was the last time Crandell did that for Calgary???

Our D is still going to be dominant, we never use our FB anyways, so no big loss there, and we finally have a QB who has done more than just get hot for 5 games in one season.

When was the last time Khari led ANY touchdown drive? He was an overpaid backup quarterback on a team with a record almost as bad as the Stampeders and THIS is supposed to be a good trade? I doubt it!

[JiriHrdina]

Originally posted by Sammie+Sep 26 2004, 04:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Sammie @ Sep 26 2004, 04:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-I_H8_Crawford@Sep 26 2004, 04:38 PM
So who should we have got at QB??

Printers???# # Yeah I'm sure Wally would have no problem sending Printers our way for Fleming if Matt had asked him nicely.#

What's easier to find/replace? A safety/HB & a FB, or a #1 QB???

At least Khari was able to MOVE the Bombers and even get them in the endzone once in a while... when was the last time Crandell did that for Calgary???#

Our D is still going to be dominant, we never use our FB anyways, so no big loss there, and we finally have a QB who has done more than just get hot for 5 games in one season.

When was the last time Khari led ANY touchdown drive? He was an overpaid backup quarterback on a team with a record almost as bad as the Stampeders and THIS is supposed to be a good trade? I doubt it! [/b][/quote]
The point Sammie is the following?

Do the Stamps need a QB? Yes.
What QBs were available? Jones. and ????

Who would you have liked to see them get? Who else is out there? Reggie Slack?

Moreover, how much trade value do you think Fleming had when he can walk at the end of the year.

The Stamps got a player that is only 2 years removed from a most outstanding player season. He is a proven QB and once fully healthy will be way better than Crandell.

[calf]

Originally posted by JiriHrdina+Sep 26 2004, 05:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JiriHrdina @ Sep 26 2004, 05:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

When was the last time Khari led ANY touchdown drive? He was an overpaid backup quarterback on a team with a record almost as bad as the Stampeders and THIS is supposed to be a good trade? I doubt it!

The point Sammie is the following?

Do the Stamps need a QB? Yes.
What QBs were available? Jones. and ????

Who would you have liked to see them get? Who else is out there? Reggie Slack?

Moreover, how much trade value do you think Fleming had when he can walk at the end of the year.

The Stamps got a player that is only 2 years removed from a most outstanding player season. He is a proven QB and once fully healthy will be way better than Crandell. [/b][/quote]
No kidding.

I know I didn't like the trade too much when it was rumoured last night, but the more I think about it, the more acceptable it is. We didn't get screwed, but neither did Winnipeg. Fleming has a history with Winnipeg, so it's likely that he will sign there after the season (but he also has a history w/ Wally, so he can end up in BC too). Lysack's a good Safety, but he was 2nd behind Joey Boese, a leading tackler in the league. Fullbacks were a wash, and are never really used anyways.

Besides, everyone wanted Crandell gone, and this is a step closer to him being done as a Stampeder. And it's just simply stupid if Dunigan was left with 3 rookies on the roster, so having a veteran QB on the roster (even if he ends up a expensive backup) is a great think to have. And Khari is definately an upgrade on Crandell.

[Sammie]

Originally posted by calf+Sep 26 2004, 05:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (calf @ Sep 26 2004, 05:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-JiriHrdina@Sep 26 2004, 05:09 PM

The point Sammie is the following?

Do the Stamps need a QB? Yes.
What QBs were available? Jones. and ????

Who would you have liked to see them get? Who else is out there? Reggie Slack?

Moreover, how much trade value do you think Fleming had when he can walk at the end of the year.

The Stamps got a player that is only 2 years removed from a most outstanding player season. He is a proven QB and once fully healthy will be way better than Crandell.

No kidding.

I know I didn't like the trade too much when it was rumoured last night, but the more I think about it, the more acceptable it is. We didn't get screwed, but neither did Winnipeg. Fleming has a history with Winnipeg, so it's likely that he will sign there after the season (but he also has a history w/ Wally, so he can end up in BC too). Lysack's a good Safety, but he was 2nd behind Joey Boese, a leading tackler in the league. Fullbacks were a wash, and are never really used anyways.

Besides, everyone wanted Crandell gone, and this is a step closer to him being done as a Stampeder. And it's just simply stupid if Dunigan was left with 3 rookies on the roster, so having a veteran QB on the roster (even if he ends up a expensive backup) is a great think to have. And Khari is definately an upgrade on Crandell.[/b][/quote]
Quite frankly I want to see Feterik gone before he make any more of a mess than he already has. Every move that has been made since hr bought the team has destroyed a little more of a great team every other CFL team tried to emulate. I just want him to sell the team before there is nothing left to rebuild.

[JiriHrdina]

Yup. I understand completely Sammie. However if the Stamps can show something on the field in the last few weeks with Jones at the helm and re-energize the fan base then I think the chances are greater that someone will step-up and give Feterik the price tag he wants for the team.

[JohnnyO]

Brutal Trade the defence gets weaker and we still don't have a QB. Matt has had one too many concussions me thinks!! I think we should start a fund raiser and buy the stamps to save this sorry excuse for a team.

[albertGQ]

Heard on Global sports last night that K.Jones doesn't actually make $350K a year. Well he does, but its only $175,000 CFL salary and $175,000 personal services contract with the Bombers that have apparently already been paid

[octothorp]

Yeah, I'm starting to come around to this one. I guess I was initially bitter because Regimbald was one of my favorite long-time players on this team. Absolutely loved watching Regimbald catch a pass out of the backfield, break a couple tackles, and turn it into a 15 yard gain. For his sake, I'm glad he's going to a team where he'll likely be utilized more.

Jones will likely be a tad bit rusty this year--I don't expect him to come in and be a huge improvement over the existing QBs right away. Long-term, maybe he'll be able to regain a bit of his MVP form for next year. Just so long as Souza isn't the guy who loses out on the depth chart.