Like I suggested in his other "control your rabid, dirty, diseased, killing machine" thread, every Sliver thread should just be post your dog picture thread.
and not my leo, but look at this horrible large breed killing machine Leonberger.. this poor girl never stood a chance:
I was leaning more to a Bullmastiff as another option. I heard Greyhounds can be too lazy.
But then on the other hand the intelligence of the more energetic breeds is also tempting.
Picking a dog breed is so difficult.
What do you mean too lazy? If you want to go for a walk, they'll go. But, yeah, a greyhound and a bull mastiff are very much different if that's what you are into.
You're right, I don't know a lot about dogs. I don't think it should be a requirement of living in Calgary. I don't like them and I don't like them near me for reasons I've stated before.
I'm outraged a little girl was bitten because I have a little girl and I hate to think of her facing a situation like that one.
I concede it sounds hypocritical that I'm willing to accept the risk of a few stitches on her hand if it were done by a small dog versus the pit bull; however, I think the situation she faced being pit bulls was far more frightening than if it were pylon's wiener dog. I guarantee you there will be sleepless nights, nightmares and anxiety over this encounter of hers because it was so terrifying.
Okay, I'll try. But you could also focus on my point more if you wanted to and less on specific snippets. You hate my arguing style and that's fine, but I don't like how you can never read my point and instead dissect out one part every time to tell me the greater meaning is lost.
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Oh I can read your posts and understand your points just fine, but I'm not about to even attempt to discuss things with somebody who presents themselves as both ignorant and extremist. You have no desire to educate yourself, you seem almost proud of your ignorance, and you do everything you can to inflame the discussion to avoid having to actually engage in anything substantive.
What do you mean too lazy? If you want to go for a walk, they'll go. But, yeah, a greyhound and a bull mastiff are very much different if that's what you are into.
Oh well yeah I know a guy who had one and he said there were a few times where he wanted to play with it or go on walks and it didn't really cooperate. He even took him to the vet cause he thought something might be wrong but I'm pretty sure he got a clean bill of health. This was ages ago though so maybe I'm remembering wrong or it was just that one.
Like I said, its not that I'm too lazy. I'd love something like a Golden, but it's just the lack of space thats an issue.
Oh I can read your posts and understand your points just fine, but I'm not about to even attempt to discuss things with somebody who presents themselves as both ignorant and extremist. You have no desire to educate yourself, you seem almost proud of your ignorance, and you do everything you can to inflame the discussion to avoid having to actually engage in anything substantive.
That's not accurate at all. I go to great lengths to answer every question that somebody asks of me in the most honest way I can.
Give me one example of where I've tried to avoid engaging in anything substantive. Good luck.
Instead of fear, how about teaching your kids to have a healthy dose of respect for dogs...all dogs, big or small. How about educating your kids, and yourself, that dogs can be unpredictable but are not inherently evil.
Nobody is saying you shouldn't be cautious with big dogs, but jesus you take it to the extreme.
I don't know, and have never known anybody with you're viewpoints on dogs.
Well in real life I wouldn't have the same discussion with a dog lover as I would on the Internet. If you're a dog guy, I'm sure any friends you have that share my views would keep them to themselves, as they should.
Where do you get that I'm not trying to teach my kids to live with dogs, anyway? Of course I don't want four untrained, unleashed rotties snarfing all over them. That's the responsible thing to do as a parent. If I can find a good, well trained dog to let my kids get comfortable with I will, but they aren't as common in my circles as they must be in your guys'.
Anyway, my son loves dogs and I think that's good and healthy and try to encourage it. My daughter doesn't like them - I'm trying to get her to relax around them more, but I don't see the point in making her try to love them as I can see what she's thinking when she wipes her hand on her jeans after touching them and her general look of displeasure when a dog tries to lick her or smell her face or rub its fur on her.
lol, and I'm the one who can't have a substantive discussion.
Would you like to actually educate yourself on dogs? People in this thread have not only offered up information, they've offered to personally teach you about dogs in a number of different ways. How many of those offers have you entertained? Based on your continued pattern of comments I'm going to go out on a limb and say the answer to that is zero.
Well in real life I wouldn't have the same discussion with a dog lover as I would on the Internet. If you're a dog guy, I'm sure any friends you have that share my views would keep them to themselves, as they should.
Where do you get that I'm not trying to teach my kids to live with dogs, anyway? Of course I don't want four untrained, unleashed rotties snarfing all over them. That's the responsible thing to do as a parent. If I can find a good, well trained dog to let my kids get comfortable with I will, but they aren't as common in my circles as they must be in your guys'.
Anyway, my son loves dogs and I think that's good and healthy and try to encourage it. My daughter doesn't like them - I'm trying to get her to relax around them more, but I don't see the point in making her try to love them as I can see what she's thinking when she wipes her hand on her jeans after touching them and her general look of displeasure when a dog tries to lick her or smell her face or rub its fur on her.
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haha, oh sorry man. I thought I had found an ally.
Well, I don't think my point is absurd and I know you're wrong that dogs like rotties and pit bulls shouldn't be feared. They can do a lot of damage and a healthy dose of fear is very reasonable.
With training those risks probably can be mitigated, but I don't trust your average rottie or pit bull owner to be the type that will properly train their dog.
By teaching them to fear dogs.
Then saying your average Rottie owner isn't the type to train their dog is all kinds of stupid. Haven't you just read all the posts of people with small dogs that don't have control of them? Who is the type of owner that doesn't bother to train their dogs again?
Would you like to actually educate yourself on dogs? People in this thread have not only offered up information, they've offered to personally teach you about dogs in a number of different ways. How many of those offers have you entertained? Based on your continued pattern of comments I'm going to go out on a limb and say the answer to that is zero.
Really? Because I asked this question and haven't seen a response (not that anybody owes me anything, but it was a sincere question that went unanswered):
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Okay, well tell me why I shouldn't be afraid of three pit bulls or four rotties. If I walk outside my house and four unleashed rottweilers come up to me as they're leaving my neighbour's yard and heading for their truck, what should I do when it's just me and my daughter (6) or son (5)? I honestly don't know and I hate the thought of running into that situation.
Also, I recall Rerun saying he would bring his dog by, but then he thought it might be a bit too excitable right now. Maybe I'm remembering wrong. Was there somebody else?
Also, you are wrong (but that's okay as I don't expect you to keep tabs on all my posts), but over the Christmas break I made sure my kids had plenty of dog time as our daughter is too scared around dogs. We made a bit of headway and she now has a dog stuffed animal that barks and stuff so hopefully that will also help.
Then saying your average Rottie owner isn't the type to train their dog is all kinds of stupid. Haven't you just read all the posts of people with small dogs that don't have control of them? Who is the type of owner that doesn't bother to train their dogs again?
OMG.
I think my characterization of a typical rottie owner is fair. And yes, small dog owners should be training their dogs, but an untrained small dog is far less dangerous than an untrained rottweiler or pit bull. How you can't accept that basic fact as truth is beyond me.
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You think because I own dogs I only hang out with dog people? Really? That's just a strange assumption.
You misread what I said. I was saying that if your dogless friends shared my views, they probably wouldn't share them with you. If you have a dog, they likely know you like dogs. What would be the point of telling you all the reasons they don't like dogs?
I think my characterization of a typical rottie owner is fair. And yes, small dog owners should be training their dogs, but an untrained small dog is far less dangerous than an untrained rottweiler or pit bull. How you can't accept that basic fact as truth is beyond me.
You misread what I said. I was saying that if your dogless friends shared my views, they probably wouldn't share them with you. If you have a dog, they likely know you like dogs. What would be the point of telling you all the reasons they don't like dogs?
Who said I can't accept that fact? I'm disputing the fact that they don't train their dogs, not that they don't do more damage. Where do you get that idea from anyways? Your one neighbor?
Your're right, I did misread and edited my post to reflect that.
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Like I suggested in his other "control your rabid, dirty, diseased, killing machine" thread, every Sliver thread should just be post your dog picture thread.
and not my leo, but look at this horrible large breed killing machine Leonberger.. this poor girl never stood a chance:
Love these dogs. They are calm and great with kids. A friend has one (Cleo) that I look after when she goes out of town. The dog thinks she is a lap dog. But because it is big, it should be feared and thus banned if you go by Silvers thinking.
You know what. There is a guy that goes to my pub that is 6'5" tall and I'm sure at least 250lbs. That guy has the potential to hurt and maybe even kill me or my daughter....he should be banned from Calagary.
The point is that St. Bernards are Exhibit A on why Sliver is ill-informed when he thinks that a blanket ban on any dog larger than 50 lbs is a good idea. Despite being 200+ lbs, St. Bernards are a perfect example of "gentle giants", and they were selectively bred to save lives and rescue people caught in Alpine avalanches.
I disagreed with a blanket ban.
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Love these dogs. They are calm and great with kids. A friend has one that I look after when she goes out of town. The dog thinks she is a lap dog. But because it is big, it should be feared and thus banned if you go by Silvers thinking.
To set the record straight, I never said there should be a blanket ban on dogs over 50 lbs.
I wouldn't support a ban on specific breeds, but, as someone who has never even considered getting a Rottweiler or pitbull, I am curious to know what reasons anyone would have for preferring them over any other breed.
This may not exactly answer your qeustion, but I have owned both and it was a preference over other breeds - until I got to know the breed, namely Rotties. Both the Rottie we had and the pitbull-cross we had were given to us by people who had their situations change and could no longer have a dog. Both were loving, wonderful pets, who we were completely comfortable having around anyone, kids, parents, etc. The Rottie even helped a friend overcome a severe fear of dogs because she was such a sweetheart.
Having said that - I would never leave any dog (big or small) unattended around a small child. I don't know the exact age where I would walk away and feel comfortable, it would depend on the situation.
I firmly believe that while these breeds do have the potential to be violent and are often bred and trained to be violent or over-protective, if raised right, by responsible, experienced dog owners, they can be your best friend.
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Okay, well tell me why I shouldn't be afraid of three pit bulls or four rotties. If I walk outside my house and four unleashed rottweilers come up to me as they're leaving my neighbour's yard and heading for their truck, what should I do when it's just me and my daughter (6) or son (5)? I honestly don't know and I hate the thought of running into that situation.
Stop. Don't approach them. Allow them to approach you. Ask your child to stand calmly behind you. Hold your hand out for them to smell it. I know you don't like to touch dogs as you feel they are dirty, but if you want to handle this situation safely, they have to be allowed to smell you and see that you are no threat. Talk to them in a clear, stern voice. Don't show your fear, and try as hard as you can not to feel it.
This being said - I don't know if the dogs you have in mind are showing signs of aggression, or if they are just regular dogs with an owner who is a dufous who is too lazy to put them on a leash while they get in the truck. I can totally see how 4 Rottie could be overwhelming to somoene who is afraid of dogs to begin with. I honestly would tell your neighbour, in as neutral of a way as possible that you are terrified of dogs and would really appreciate it if he could leash them, even when just going to the truck. Sometimes people really just don't see how what they are doing might bother someone else.
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Stop. Don't approach them. Allow them to approach you. Ask your child to stand calmly behind you. Hold your hand out for them to smell it. I know you don't like to touch dogs as you feel they are dirty, but if you want to handle this situation safely, they have to be allowed to smell you and see that you are no threat. Talk to them in a clear, stern voice. Don't show your fear, and try as hard as you can not to feel it.
This being said - I don't know if the dogs you have in mind are showing signs of aggression, or if they are just regular dogs with an owner who is a dufous who is too lazy to put them on a leash while they get in the truck. I can totally see how 4 Rottie could be overwhelming to somoene who is afraid of dogs to begin with. I honestly would tell your neighbour, in as neutral of a way as possible that you are terrified of dogs and would really appreciate it if he could leash them, even when just going to the truck. Sometimes people really just don't see how what they are doing might bother someone else.
Wow thanks dude. I really appreciate this. I'll do exactly what you said. Thanks a bunch.
As for the aggression part, they bark ferociously at anybody who comes near the house through a metal gate that they can see out of. I don't know if that's normal for a bunch of rottweilers or not, but I'm always glad to be on the other side of the fence as it seems pretty aggressive to me.
But because it is big, it should be feared and thus banned if you go by Silvers thinking.
