Who would the Flames buyout on the 1 non-cap buy out

[saillias]

Well I think everything being discussed here is hypothetical. With Edwards being the player he has been in the negotiations, you have to wonder if he's willing to shrink the cap to 60 million and handicap his own franchise like that. And that's just our owner, the players will disagree for the sake of partisan disagreeing.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

I wonder if Cosmonaut Bryzgalov gets bought out?

Flyers would probably like to buy out 2 players but will only be able to buy out 1. I would have to think Pronger will be #1 on the list.

Gomez and Horcoff are no-brainers for their teams.

I would have to think Lecavalier would be bought out considering he makes $10 million a year for the next 6 seasons with a $7.8 million cap hit.

Any thoughts on players that are not on the flames?

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Flyers would probably like to buy out 2 players but will only be able to buy out 1. I would have to think Pronger will be #1 on the list.

Gomez and Horcoff are no-brainers for their teams.

I would have to think Lecavalier would be bought out considering he makes $10 million a year for the next 6 seasons with a $7.8 million cap hit.

Any thoughts on players that are not on the flames?

I could see the Canucks buying out Ballard.

Islanders: DiPietro?

[CMPunk]

Never mind, I missed the non cap part. I would hope that the new cap isn't in effect til next season...then I'd hope it's Bouwmeester

[getbak]

The Islanders (or any team who struggles to reach the floor) won't take advantage of a cap-free buyout because they want all the money they spend to count against their cap.


It will be interesting to see how it plays out, but I think the long-term deals are less likely to be bought out because it is committing a lot of money over a very long period of time for which you get nothing in return.

Buying out Lecavalier would cost the Lightning $2.1 million a year through the 2026-27 season.


The most cost-effective buyout would actually be Kipper. It would cost the Flames $500,000 for two years, and shave $5.8 million off the Flames' cap for 2013-14. It would be good for Kipper too if he wants to keep playing because he could easily sign a deal that pays him more than $1.5 million for next season. The only drawback would be that he'd no longer be a Flame.

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Flyers would probably like to buy out 2 players but will only be able to buy out 1. I would have to think Pronger will be #1 on the list.

Pronger hasn't counted against the Flyers' cap for a while now.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by saillias

Well I think everything being discussed here is hypothetical. With Edwards being the player he has been in the negotiations, you have to wonder if he's willing to shrink the cap to 60 million and handicap his own franchise like that. And that's just our owner, the players will disagree for the sake of partisan disagreeing.

The 14 or so teams that spend near the cap are almost all ahead of the Flames in the standings. These teams in theory should have a much harder time getting rid of the 8-10 million in cap spending as their players actually deliver to their contracts.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Flyers would probably like to buy out 2 players but will only be able to buy out 1. I would have to think Pronger will be #1 on the list.

Gomez and Horcoff are no-brainers for their teams.

I would have to think Lecavalier would be bought out considering he makes $10 million a year for the next 6 seasons with a $7.8 million cap hit.

Any thoughts on players that are not on the flames?

I don't think you can buy out injured players.

[Frequitude]

No one.

Trade for someone else's anchor, buy them out and receive assets in return.

DiPietro + picks/prospects.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by Super Nintendo Chalmers

Pronger hasn't counted against the Flyers' cap for a while now.

I thought because it was a 35+ contract, it counts against the cap - injury, retirement, etc.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

I thought because it was a 35+ contract, it counts against the cap - injury, retirement, etc.

All injured players always count against the cap, the rule has been that if you are at the cap and need to replace the injured player you can exceed the cap by the amount the injured player makes while they are injured.

Pronger is a 35+ contract so he will count towards the cap if he is bought out or not, unless they make a rule allowing a buyout for a 35+ player.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

All injured players always count against the cap, the rule has been that if you are at the cap and need to replace the injured player you can exceed the cap by the amount the injured player makes while they are injured.

Pronger is a 35+ contract so he will count towards the cap if he is bought out or not, unless they make a rule allowing a buyout for a 35+ player.

That would mean that the Flyers would have to be over the cap to "replace" Pronger ..... and the bonuses earned that year would come out of next years cap.

[Mister Yamoto]

Hudler, Stajan, Stempniak, Comeau, Bouwmeester and Wideman.

[Mr.Coffee]

It would have to be Stajan.

Of course.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

It would have to be Stajan.

Of course.

I don't think it's as cut and dry as it's made out to be.

The reports make it sound like the buyout would take place AFTER the shortened season, so the Flames would get a better idea of who fits and doesn't fit in under Hartley's system. Maybe it would be Stajan, or maybe Stempniak who will have the same dollars owing, or maybe Wideman or Hudler if they end up not fitting in with the club, heck it could even be a player the Flames haven't acquired yet as they could pick up an overpriced player at the trade deadline and then make them the buyout so its more like they are a rental without the huge cost to acquire them.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I don't think it's as cut and dry as it's made out to be.

The reports make it sound like the buyout would take place AFTER the shortened season, so the Flames would get a better idea of who fits and doesn't fit in under Hartley's system. Maybe it would be Stajan, or maybe Stempniak who will have the same dollars owing, or maybe Wideman or Hudler if they end up not fitting in with the club, heck it could even be a player the Flames haven't acquired yet as they could pick up an overpriced player at the trade deadline and then make them the buyout so its more like they are a rental without the huge cost to acquire them.

That would leave them with 7-10M in cap space to drop if they re-sign Iginla at 6-7M.

ALL the cap teams will be dropping someone with signficant salary with this buy out.

After all the input on this thread it is almost surely has to be Bouwmeester. He is by far the worst Flames contract.

The only other options are Cammalleri or Wideman or Kipper....

Ie the guys making over 5M.

As bad as Stempniak and Sarich and Stajan are being overpaid .... when you count in their roster replacement at 1M they provide very little cap savings.

If I was a Flames owner I would make a rule that Feaster can't give out any contracts to surnames starting with "S"

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

That would leave them with 7-10M in cap space to drop if they re-sign Iginla at 6-7M.

ALL the cap teams will be dropping someone with signficant salary with this buy out.

After all the input on this thread it is almost surely has to be Bouwmeester. He is by far the worst Flames contract.

The only other options are Cammalleri or Wideman or Kipper....

Ie the guys making over 5M.

As bad as Stempniak and Sarich and Stajan are being overpaid .... when you count in their roster replacement at 1M they provide very little cap savings.

If I was a Flames owner I would make a rule that Feaster can't give out any contracts to surnames starting with "S"

I think you have the blinders on here. To buy out Bouwmeeser will cost you 4 million plus, and you'll still need to get a 3-4 million dollar player to replace what he brings. So really you save 2.5 million in cap, and spend 8 million to do it. Whereas if you buyout Stajan, the buyout costs the team around 1.6 million and the guy that you replace Stajan with likely is playing for 700k a year. So you gain 2.8 in cap savings and spend 2.3 million to get it.

As much as many of us love to bash on Bouwmeester...he is going to be one of the teams top 3 defenceman, and quite likely will lead them in ice time. If they remove a guy like him from the lineup, they have to bring in another player from outside the organization to plug the hole it would create in the lineup. Should the cap contract drastically...the Flames like many other teams will feel a big squeeze. They might be better off to take their lumps that year, let short term deals with high cap hits like Bouwmeester, Cammalleri, and Kiprusoff expire, than start anew the season after that.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

I think you have the blinders on here. To buy out Bouwmeeser will cost you 4 million plus, and you'll still need to get a 3-4 million dollar player to replace what he brings. So really you save 2.5 million in cap, and spend 8 million to do it. Whereas if you buyout Stajan, the buyout costs the team around 1.6 million and the guy that you replace Stajan with likely is playing for 700k a year. So you gain 2.8 in cap savings and spend 2.3 million to get it.

As much as many of us love to bash on Bouwmeester...he is going to be one of the teams top 3 defenceman, and quite likely will lead them in ice time. If they remove a guy like him from the lineup, they have to bring in another player from outside the organization to plug the hole it would create in the lineup. Should the cap contract drastically...the Flames like many other teams will feel a big squeeze. They might be better off to take their lumps that year, let short term deals with high cap hits like Bouwmeester, Cammalleri, and Kiprusoff expire, than start anew the season after that.

So you think the league will let the Flames over-send the 60M cap in 2013-14? or are counting Ignlia as an expired contract?

The Flames current payroll is 67 M or 68.5 M with Bartschi on the team.

all the player over 1M but Cervenka, Iginla and Bab#### are signed for 2013/14...

The replacements for Cervenka (2nd line centre) would have to be over 2M and the Babchuck replacement will be 800K plus a Million each raise for Butler and Brodie, so they won't be saving a lot of money off their current cap.

Bouwmesster being paid as a top 10 in the league d-man is absolutely not justified..... Having a 3M replacement for him saves over 3.6M in cap space and likely makes the team better.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

That would leave them with 7-10M in cap space to drop if they re-sign Iginla at 6-7M.

ALL the cap teams will be dropping someone with signficant salary with this buy out.

After all the input on this thread it is almost surely has to be Bouwmeester. He is by far the worst Flames contract.

The only other options are Cammalleri or Wideman or Kipper....

Ie the guys making over 5M.

As bad as Stempniak and Sarich and Stajan are being overpaid .... when you count in their roster replacement at 1M they provide very little cap savings.

If I was a Flames owner I would make a rule that Feaster can't give out any contracts to surnames starting with "S"

Pray tell who would be replacing those 3 players at a fraction of their value.

You probably won't find a sub-3 million dollar player to replace Cammalleri or any of the above mentioned unless you find yourself in a very fortunate position.

In terms of savings over their replacement, it is Stajan - 2.7 million dollars right off the top. You can't replace a top 4 Dman, #1 goalie or 1st line player for the difference listed unless you find yourself in a very good situation with Sven or another Rookie (lol).

I also want to see Stajan get his walking papers out of spite too. If his terrible performance over the span of games as a Flame isn't enough to do it, I would like to see him gone for his role within the PA.

He can try to eat his principles.

[AR_Six]

Again, no one buys out a guy when you could trade him. Hate on JBo all you want, but he is a top 4 defenseman and someone will be better off with him than without him, and have the cap space. Even if all you got in return was a 5th round draft pick you'd still be better off trading him to the Coyotes or the Isles or something, and even in a reduced cap environment you'd get more than that for him.