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[HELPNEEDED]

Dr statzna will cure it just go talk to her in the ug office. If ur at the uofc

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by Ducay

-He got a D (aka didn't fail)

Yeah, but then again that mark isn't good enough for what he needs. That sounds very much like a "fail" to me.

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by Ducay

-He got a D (aka didn't fail)

A D was a fail in my day; granted that was some time ago.

-Isn't asking for a free ride to his degree

As I understand it he is asking for a waiver on the D he got (which you say is in fact a passing mark).
He also states other profs have previously "signed off on the waiver".
Not a "free ride to a degree"; but a "free pass" on a course he got a D in.

So why does he need a waiver if it isn't a failing grade?

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by ken0042

Yeah, but then again that mark isn't good enough for what he needs. That sounds very much like a "fail" to me.

Considering I can go to the prof and get into a course even if I haven't touched the prereqs if he/she lets me, I'm pretty sure his D still doesn't count as a fail. But now we're arguing semantics.

[OffsideSpecialist]

A D is a fail in my current program of study. Also, if one needs permission to use that grade as a prerequisite for further courses it may as well be considered a fail.

[Dion]

If a "D" is a passing mark, standards sure have fallen since I was in school

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Considering I can go to the prof and get into a course even if I haven't touched the prereqs if he/she lets me, I'm pretty sure his D still doesn't count as a fail. But now we're arguing symantics. FL's post was still incorrect based on how Universities work.

So what do you call that grey area between a pass and fail?

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by First Lady

So what do you call that grey area between a pass and fail?

No grey

D and above - Pass
F - Fail


Its really quite simple. All while some courses have prereqs that need marks of C+ to get in, some C-, some Ds, etc, varies by course/department

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by Ducay

No grey

D and above - Pass
F - Fail


Its really quite simple. All while some courses have prereqs marks that needed a C+ to get in, some C-, some Ds, etc.

Way I see it is, if you don't get the mark needed it's a fail. His needing a waiver seems to support this.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Rudee

My parents were strict as a kid as far as my school grades. If I ever got a C or lower I would be grounded. That only happened twice. Reading this post takes me back many years ago to those days. Thankfully, it instilled strong study habits in me at a young age, which carried through to University, where I graduated with honors and have done quite well in my adult life. There's good and bad.

Hahahah well phew, glad you managed to tell us how awesome you are somehow.

[Bagor]

The professor who needs to sign the waiver is a cantankerous old chinese guy. He's a miserable guy and he's been gone from Canada for 3 weeks and returns Sunday. I need him to sign that waiver, I've been emailing him and he seems like he is going to find a reason to not let me in

Couple of things .... on what do you base that he's going to find a reason to screw you over? His track record? Correspondence?

And ... this cantankerous old Chinese guy is doing you a huge favour by even agreeing to meet you on the Sunday before Christmas after being OOT for three weeks. Might I suggest approaching the meeting with some degree of gratitude and respect for the chance to put your case forward as opposed to one of entitlement. He has a life too.

Good luck. I would suggest starting by acknowledging that you screwed up, but that was then and this is now. .......

[Cheese]

Let's translate this to the business world. Hmmmm...sorry boss I didn't get the report done as you had asked....but it's kinda close.

I wonder if that boss would give you a waiver?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Cheese

Let's translate this to the business world. Hmmmm...sorry boss I didn't get the report done as you had asked....but it's kinda close.

I wonder if that boss would give you a waiver?

I think this analogy is reaching considerably.

This analogy may require a waiver. I'd give it about a D. Not quite a fail, but certainly not something to hang your hat on.

[drhu22]

re: What can I say that will make him not hate life so much to just sign the thing?

I think you should hold him down and tickle him relentlessly till he gives it up.

Seriously though... sometimes you just have to accept that you made a mistake and deal with it (also known as biting the bullet)... ie: retake the course

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I think this analogy is reaching considerably.

This analogy may require a waiver. I'd give it about a D. Not quite a fail, but certainly not something to hang your hat on.

Maybe in your biz FW...I would think that most companies would cut bait with an employee that thought he could get by with a waiver on a project that rated a D.

[Table 5]

I teach a couple classes at ACAD, and even though I've only been doing it for a few semesters, I've already heard some real whoppers for excuses. There are some kids who always have a reason not to do something, and it's never ever their own fault. Something tells me that's not going to change.....these people will still be blaming others when they are 50.

The fact that this "cantankerous chinese guy" is willing to meet you on a Sunday though... that's hell of a nice gesture on his part. Pretty sure I wouldn't be doing it at this time of year.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Cheese

Maybe in your biz FW...I would think that most companies would cut bait with an employee that thought he could get by with a waiver on a project that rated a D.

Ok, you put an ad out to hire a salesman for your company. You specify 5-10 years of related sales experience in your ad.

During the interview, a candidate explains to you that while he does not have the pre-requisites listed as necessary in the ad, he does entry level sales experience and related industry and office experience. This candidate is very interested in achieving the sales experience you list in your ad with your company and is simply looking for the opportunity to prove to you he has what it takes.

Do you entertain this candidate, who is otherwise on the trajectory of experience you're seeking from your ad or do you dismiss him outright?

[Canada 02]

as a cantankerous Chinese professor, I highly recommend you drop the victim mentality and attitude during your meeting. If you go in there and say the things you said in the OP (even in a diplomatic way), I would tell you no way.

The best chance you have is to give academic reasons for why you deserve the waiver. Point out similar classes you have taken to the one you received a D, and how you excelled in those classes. Describe how you earned your scholarship, not how you will lose it.

In short, give positive reason's why you deserve the waiver, not negative ramifications of not receiving the waiver.

[CaptainCrunch]

[Flash Walken]

agree with Canada 02 and others.

If you're trying to get into his course, tell him how much you want to take and the reasons while you'll be a hassle free and otherwise model student.