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Old 12-21-2012, 08:52 AM   #41
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Mikey? Any truth to this?
I highly doubt Israel had anything to do with the shooting, but I do find some of the facts around this a little puzzling.

The coroner said the kids had .223 wounds, but the Bushmaster .223 rifle was found in the trunk of Lanza's car, while he only had two pistols on his body at the scene. There was also a shotgun recovered in the school.

There were 2 men dressed in camo pants and dark jackets arrested on scene outside the school. Nobody has come out and said who these mystery men were.
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There were 2 men dressed in camo pants and dark jackets arrested on scene outside the school. Nobody has come out and said who these mystery men were.
Where did you read this? Conspiracytheorists.com?
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Old 12-21-2012, 08:54 AM   #43
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Iran's media is pretty vehemently anti-jewish. Here's a film that was shown in Iranian theaters, 'Saturday Hunter'

http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/6676.htm
There are many jewish people living in Iran.

Iran is anti-Zionism, not anti-jewish. There is an important distinction there. The concept of zionism is a hot issue among the jews in Israel itself.
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Old 12-21-2012, 08:55 AM   #44
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Where did you read this? Conspiracytheorists.com?
There are news reports and video footage.
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i have deleted all my posts about iran because I was posting ignorant stuff and it got exposed by other posters.
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There are news reports and video footage.
There are news reports of 2 men in camo being arrested by the scene? Do you have a link?
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Old 12-21-2012, 09:33 AM   #47
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There are many jewish people living in Iran.

Iran is anti-Zionism, not anti-jewish. There is an important distinction there. The concept of zionism is a hot issue among the jews in Israel itself.
So 8,500 Jews in a country of 78 million is many in your opinion? You can dress up their stance any way you like, but their regime is vehemently anti Jewish.

I guess this cartoon is anti-zionist, not anti Jewish right?



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The virulently anti-Semitic cartoon was declared the winner of Iran's first annual "International Wall Street Downfall Cartoon Festival," co-sponsored by the Iranian media outlet Fars News. According to reports, the contest's jury consisted of seven judges from Iran, Turkey, Poland and Romania who judged more than 1,600 cartoons. The winning artist, Mohammad Tabrizi, was awarded 5,000 euros for his image of Jews praying in front of "Wall Street."
http://www.adl.org/PresRele/ASInt_13/6348_13.htm

If calling for the annihilation of Israel (the only Jewish state in the world) does not seem anti Jewish to you, but simply anti-zionist, then keep the blinders on.
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^^ That is pretty mild jewish "hatred".

Also, the Iranian leader said he wanted to wipe the "zionist regime" off the map. A regime is a government, not a physical place.
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There are many jewish people living in Iran.

Iran is anti-Zionism, not anti-jewish. There is an important distinction there. The concept of zionism is a hot issue among the jews in Israel itself.
This is not really true. Of the 300,000-400,000 or so Jews from Iran, only about 8,000 remain in Iran. Most of the remaining Jews are elderly. Jewish life in Iran will probably be extinct in 10-20 years.

Iran does focus most of their propaganda on Israel. They also routinely tap Jewish phones, hold international conferences on holocaust denial, arrest the families of Jews who immigrate from the country, deny Jews contact with Jews from outside of Iran, etc...
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There are news reports of 2 men in camo being arrested by the scene? Do you have a link?
Mikey can find a conspiracy in a sandwich.
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Old 12-21-2012, 10:17 AM   #51
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This is not really true. Of the 300,000-400,000 or so Jews from Iran, only about 8,000 remain in Iran. Most of the remaining Jews are elderly. Jewish life in Iran will probably be extinct in 10-20 years.

Iran does focus most of their propaganda on Israel. They also routinely tap Jewish phones, hold international conferences on holocaust denial, arrest the families of Jews who immigrate from the country, deny Jews contact with Jews from outside of Iran, etc...
The Iranians treat the jews like that because they are basically at war with Israel already. Mossad has been bombing military bases and nuclear scientists. The U.S. treated Japanese Americans the same way during WW2 to ensure national security.

Also, ...not all jews agree with Zionism.
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Old 12-21-2012, 10:20 AM   #52
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There are news reports of 2 men in camo being arrested by the scene? Do you have a link?




I'm at work and have no sound, but there are more lengthy videos of the pursuit on youtube.
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As far as I've read, mikey, it was one man, not two (unless you have a reputable link showing it was two individuals), he was detained and then later released by police. I would think it's more likely the guy was out for a walk and the cops nabbed him during the initial confusion just in case than him being some sort of spec ops guy doing the worst hiding job ever.
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The Iranians treat the jews like that because they are basically at war with Israel already. Mossad has been bombing military bases and nuclear scientists. The U.S. treated Japanese Americans the same way during WW2 to ensure national security.

Also, ...not all jews agree with Zionism.
But it's not 1942 anymore. Iran being 70 years behind the times on civil rights is not a strong arguing point. The restrictions against Jews have been going on in Iran since the Iranian revolution. The history of anti-semitism in Iran is much longer, however. Through the 1800s and 1900s the Jews were routinely met with restrictions like arbitrary shut down of schools, synagogues, etc.. Anti-Jewish riots took place regularly through this period as well.

In the 1800s, the Jews were considered too unclean to take part in regular life and froce to live in a seperate part of town, in the 1930/40s there were heavy nazi influences in Persia, in 1949 they were considerd too closely tied with Israel...There always seems to be some excuse for anti-semitism in Iran. And that's the major reason a community that had been established since before Islam was advented left the country by the hundreds of thousands.
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Valid criticism of Israel?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...-jewish-saints

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On 10 December, 250 Basij students from Abu Ali Sina University in the Iranian city of Hamedan gathered in front of the mausoleum of two Jewish saints and threatened to tear it down, in revenge for what the students claimed were Israeli threats to infringe on the al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem.
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This was seen in September this year. Hussein Kanaani Moghadam, secretary general of the Green party (a separate party – not related to Mousavi or Karroubi) and a member of the
central committee of the Osulgarayan coalition, stated in an interview: "According to what is said in the Torah, in the time of Khashayarshah (Xerxes), through Esther and Mordechai, Jews were told that they had three days to kill Iranians and it is said that 75,000 Iranian women, children, old and young were massacred by them."
Kanaani Moghadam's fabrication of history did not end there. In order to give a historical basis to this antisemitic belief, he tried to intertwine it with a distortion of Iran's pre-Islamic Zoroastrian history. "In their Iranian Killing festival, which is celebrated in the Persian month of Esfand, they [Jews] read the book of Esther. One of the reasons Iranians leave their homes every year on the 13th day of Farvardin (called Sizdah be dar in Persian) is that on this day the order to kill Iranians was given and, in order to escape from this massacre, the people of Iran took refuge in the countryside."
A similar narrative is also being printed and promoted in Iran's press. The Tehran-based Farda News is one such publication. In an article, as well as promoting the "Iranian holocaust", it tells global Jewry: "Those Jews who accuse Hitler of burning them should look for the real holocaust in their own dark history."
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Mikey can find a conspiracy in a sandwich.
"There's mustard on this sandwich, and I can smell it... that means I'm ingesting mustard GAS!!!! Did you know they used mustard gas in World War I as a weapon, until it was banned via treaty because it was TOO INHUMANE?!?! Look it up, I'm not wrong here. Now let's read the label on the mustard jar - looks like this stuff was USFDA 'inspected'. Do you believe they could inspect this condiment of certain death and not notice it's lethal? Wake up, sheeple!"
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That is completely absurd and a fabrication, this whole piece of propaganda reminds me of the Egyptian claim that the Israeli's put sharks in the water to attack tourists in Sharm el-Sheikh.
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Pretty sure that was a mod after I called him an idiot.
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