Teacher Charged with Sex Assault

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Ok, then please highlight the situations where it is acceptable.

The boy is deemed mentally stable and was not forced to do so in any way.

[East Coast Flame]

Originally Posted by _Q_

OK let me clarify. Heterosexual sex is always consensual for a male. If you don't want to have sex, then you just don't get it up. That's just how the anatomy works.

This is insane.

What do you think of this story:

Back in college there was this girl who was quite aggressive towards me and tried to hook up with me several times, I always said no and nothing ever happened. One night I was staggering drunk at the bar. I could barely talk and I threw up on myself and the bouncers threw me in a cab. She hopped in the cab with me, got me home, got me naked and proceeded to get on top of me and have sex with me. My roommate and the RA broke into the room and found me passed out naked with her naked on top of me.

Now, do you consider that rape? Because I sure do, and the Police and university sure agreed with me as she was kicked out of school and charged.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by _Q_

The boy is deemed mentally stable and was not forced to do so in any way.

An adult teacher and a 14 yr old are not on equal mental/emotional/power levels. Never have been never will be.


Absurd

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

This is insane.

What do you think of this story:

Back in college there was this girl who was quite aggressive towards me and tried to hook up with me several times, I always said no and nothing ever happened. One night I was staggering drunk at the bar. I could barely talk and I threw up on myself and the bouncers threw me in a cab. She hopped in the cab with me, got me home, got me naked and proceeded to get on top of me and have sex with me. My roommate and the RA broke into the room and found me passed out naked with her naked on top of me.

Now, do you consider that rape? Because I sure do, and the Police and university sure agreed with me as she was kicked out of school and charged.

Sorry to hear that. That's a pretty unique situation though.

[Vinny01]

If a 14 year old hooks up with his hot teacher he is a legend among his peer group and if a 14 year old girl does the same thing she is likely treated far more negatively. It is the whole player vs slut comparison. Men are generally proud and respected if they have the ability to hook up with multiple women where women are usually labeled negatively for doing the same thing. These student-teacher affairs are looked at the same way hence the South Park "nice" episode.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

This is insane.

What do you think of this story:

Back in college there was this girl who was quite aggressive towards me and tried to hook up with me several times, I always said no and nothing ever happened. One night I was staggering drunk at the bar. I could barely talk and I threw up on myself and the bouncers threw me in a cab. She hopped in the cab with me, got me home, got me naked and proceeded to get on top of me and have sex with me. My roommate and the RA broke into the room and found me passed out naked with her naked on top of me.

Now, do you consider that rape? Because I sure do, and the Police and university sure agreed with me as she was kicked out of school and charged.

Wow. Was she ugly or fat?

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

An adult teacher and a 14 yr old are not on equal mental/emotional/power levels. Never have been never will be.


Absurd

OK, so say a 14 year old boy has sex with a 15 year old school mate. Is that OK?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by _Q_

OK, so say a 14 year old boy has sex with a 15 year old school mate. Is that OK?

Ah that is different.

We are talking about an adult and a minor, an adult in a power position.

Don't move the target to suit your needs.

[polak]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Ah yes, 14 yr olds, have the ability to make decisions of that scale.

Considering that the age of consent was only raised from 14 to 16 in 2008, I'd say that it's not such a crazy idea that they do.

By the way, now that I know that the age of consent is 16, in this specific case the law is pretty cut and dry and I don't have a problem with the female teacher getting charged.

I still stand by my point for 16+. Consensual Adult female-Student male relationships need to be treated differently than vice versa.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

A woman teacher molesting a young man is probably going to cause the same kind of future mental health issues as an older man on a younger woman.

I'll put myself out there. I have only told a few people about this in my whole life and now I am posting it on the internet.. I was molested by my female babysitter from the age of like 8 to 13, and then it carried on a little after. I have had a few mental health issues that I attribute to that abuse. (And if anyone is wondering, she was 16 when it started and was actually pretty and popular in highschool).

For one thing, it wasn't consentual. If I didn't comply, I wouldn't be allowed to stay up or play with other kids. To be honest, I did enjoy it sometimes, but not in the same way you do when you are an adult, and most of the time I felt forced. Then there was the fact that my sibling found out and would constantly threaten to tell on me. Even though in hindsite, I know that I was innocent, it didn't feel that way at the time. I lived under constant fear of being found out and it was very stressful.

Some of the negative affects in my life that I attribute to are things like having an appetite for risky behaviour. I don't think too many guys here know what it is like to be completely bored of conventional sex by the time you ar 14. I never really had the "special" first time and got involved in some bad practices to try and satisfy my sexual needs when I got older. This led to a lot of shame, self-loathing and pain on people I care about. and I have had to go to therapy to deal with the social anxiety I have developed as a result of things in my childhood relating to the abuse.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Ah that is different.

We are talking about an adult and a minor, an adult in a power position.

Don't move the target to suit your needs.

I'm moving the target to make a point though. Both are under age, yet they are both deemed fit to have consensual sex with each other.

As with Polak, I didn't know the age limit has been raised to 16, so I'll concede it is a bit weird to want to have sex with a 14 year old and this woman should be charged. She will, however, probably get a fairly light sentence because at the end of the day, I'm sure the boy wasn't really forced into this relationship and he is living the dream of most 14 year old boys.

[polak]

I'm sorry to hear your story.

I think everyone would agree that your situation is far more severe then what I was discussing, but I'm sorry if my points brought up any sort of bad feelings or offended you.

[Bertuzzied]

Wow. This thread sure turned dark fast.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by _Q_

I'm moving the target to make a point though. Both are under age, yet they are both deemed fit to have consensual sex with each other.

As with Polak, I didn't know the age limit has been raised to 16, so I'll concede it is a bit weird to want to have sex with a 14 year old and this woman should be charged. She will, however, probably get a fairly light sentence because at the end of the day, I'm sure the boy wasn't really forced into this relationship and he is living the dream of most 14 year old boys.

But you miss the point. It can be argued that the 14 and 15 yr olds are nearing the same mental/emotional/power status.........

Minors and adults, especially a teacher are not.

[_Q_]

Thanks for sharing Flames Addiction.

You were, however 8 years old at the time and that's totally wrong. Sorry if my arguments hurt you in any way.

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Wow. This thread sure turned dark fast.

Oh man did it ever, I first clicked it with the hope of seeing nothing but pictures of the cop from South Park saying "nice".

[rubecube]

EDIT: Posted before I realized things had turned dark.

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by _Q_

OK let me clarify. Heterosexual sex is always consensual for a male. If you don't want to have sex, then you just don't get it up. That's just how the anatomy works.

You sound suspiciously like the Republican politicos in the US who say the following about rape:

Well you know, people always want to try to make that as one of those things, well how do you, how do you slice this particularly tough sort of ethical question. First of all, from what I understand from doctors, that’s really rare. If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let’s assume that maybe that didn’t work or something. I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist and not attacking the child.

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[Red Potato Standing By]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If a 14 year old hooks up with his hot teacher he is a legend among his peer group and if a 14 year old girl does the same thing she is likely treated far more negatively. It is the whole player vs slut comparison. Men are generally proud and respected if they have the ability to hook up with multiple women where women are usually labeled negatively for doing the same thing. These student-teacher affairs are looked at the same way hence the South Park "nice" episode.

So it is okay as long as it is viewed by other people as legendary? (I may be reading your comment wrong)

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by Zethrynn

So it is okay as long as it is viewed by other people as legendary? (I may be reading your comment wrong)

I'm not going to speak for him since I don't know where he was going with that, but I think it's a good argument for why we need to change the idea that sex is something that males do to females, elevating the male's status while lowering the female's in the process.

If both (or all) participants are consenting and on equal footing, then it's none of our business. A high number of sexual partners shouldn't make a man more of a man or a woman less of a woman. If there's an imbalance of power, though, the person taking advantage of that imbalance is wrong, regardless of gender.