Connecticut School Shooting

[North East Goon]

I used to obliterate little asian men every day after school while playing Kung Fu Master back in the day. This has never given me the need or urge to randomly kick asian people in the head!

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

Blaming video games for these events are a joke.

So a young man owns and plays violent video games call me shocked I bet he also had porn.

Why are we not blaming porn for all our world's mistakes like we used to in the 70's and 80's?

Maybe I am missing where people are blaming video games for these shootings.

Its almost like you are having this discussion with yourself, over and over again.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Rathji

Maybe I am missing where people are blaming video games for these shootings.

Its almost like you are having this discussion with yourself, over and over again.

SeeBass, and SeeGeeWhy..............hmmmmmm

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by Rathji

Maybe I am missing where people are blaming video games for these shootings.

Its almost like you are having this discussion with yourself, over and over again.

So you are saying there is nobody looking at video games and movies as part of the problem and that it has never been brought up??

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by Rathji

Maybe I am missing where people are blaming video games for these shootings.

Its almost like you are having this discussion with yourself, over and over again.

post relating to video games and violence

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Do I need to go on?

here are your words-

"Who said they didn't?

"In fact, I would wager that they have the same influence, but they are working with a different 'canvas' of a person who is otherwise influenced by things like 'gun culture' to possibly produce different outcomes.

Let me clear here, I do not think that video games cause violence in any direct way. I do not even think they are anything more than a very minor influence in the much larger picture. I am simply stating that exposure to violence in the media, even video game violence, especially at a young age will desensitize a person towards violence.

How this impacts someone in the long run, I really have no comment on, other than to say that a kid playing Call of Duty will likely have no noticeable increase in problems associated with this desensitization than someone who just watched your typical prime time TV. "



These are the in the conversation some agree some don't, why am I not allowed to discuss this too?
if I am not allowed to comment please tell me when will be a good time. Are you the only one who gets to bring this up?

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

SeeBass, and SeeGeeWhy..............hmmmmmm

get a life

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

post relating to video games and violence

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These are the in the conversation so agree some relate why am I not allowed to bring this up?
if I am not allowed to comment please tell me when will be a good time.

its like you are not paying attention

It just seemed like you were ignoring any responses and just repeating the same thing over again. It is possible I missed another post in there, and if I did, then I apologize. Lots of stuff going on in this thread.

edit: To respond to your edit:

None of those things I said blamed video games for this happening. If you think they do, then let me rephrase.

I said exposure to violence in the media will desensitize a person to violence, even more so if that person still is young. This desensitization might play an extremely minor role in forming a person's outlook on the world, but will be dwarfed by other things such as the dominance (or lack of) of gun culture that they are exposed to.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

get a life

Wow, aren't we delicate.

If that offends, then you life must be a hard slog.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Wow, aren't we delicate.

If that offends, then you life must be a hard slog.

no offence you are just wrong


can you tell me how hard of a slog somebodies life must be for them to pay attention to cetain posters and then even bother to think they might be the same person

sounds kinda sad

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

no offence you are just wrong


can you tell me how hard of a slog somebodies life must be for them to pay attention to cetain posters and then even bother to think they might be the same person

sounds kinda sad

I actually don't think you are the same person.

There was a big to do last week about a poster apparently thanking himself with another account that he/she appeared to use.

When I read the comment about discussing with yourself, I thought it was funny that both the user titles were so close. BTW, it wasn't hard to see, you qouted SeeBeeWhy in your post.

So ease up big boy.

Back to the discussion regarding guns control/lack thereof.

[Azure]

What kind of influence do video games have on drug use? From what I recall, games like GTA have open drug abuse. If video games desensitize kids to violence, perhaps they desensitize kids to drug use as well?

[_Q_]

Video games are just entertainment and by nature, entertainment helps us escape reality by creating a fantasy world in which the rules of reality don't apply. In a video game you can drive expensive cars, kill anyone you like, control armies, be a pro NHL player, etc. I'm not sure why everyone focuses on the violence aspect of video games rather than everything else. Does playing NHL 13 make me more likely to be a hockey player? Definitely not.

[afc wimbledon]

Personally I have always thought the idea that video game desensatization is the problem is wrong, I suspect the fact that video games encourage angry sad #######s to sit in their basements with no freinds is the problem, I suspect the effect would be the same if they were all playing Mario Cart or Harvest Moon.

[_Q_]

^^ That's exactly it. Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Personally I have always thought the idea that video game desensatization is the problem is wrong, I suspect the fact that video games encourage angry sad #######s to sit in their basements with no freinds is the problem, I suspect the effect would be the same if they were all playing Mario Cart or Harvest Moon.

If the problem as you are describing it is people committing mass shootings, then i think you are right. Desensitization to violence probably has less to do with these incidents than poor socialization.

[jhunt223]

Haven't see this posted here yet. It looks like Obama finally gets it.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?...eo%3A+Politics)

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

Funny on how attitudes haven't changed at all since 1968

Gloria: Do you know that sixty percent of all deaths in America are caused by guns?
Archie Bunker: Would it make you feel any better, little girl, if they was pushed out of windows?

President of the United States Lyndon Johnson in 1968(!)

Some of you may be interested in knowing-really-what this bill does: --It stops murder by mail order. It bars the interstate sale of all guns and the bullets that load them.
--It stops the sale of lethal weapons to those too young to bear their terrible responsibility.
--It puts up a big "off-limits" sign, to stop gunrunners from dumping cheap foreign "$10 specials" on the shores of our country.

Congress adopted most of our recommendations. But this bill--as big as this bill is--still falls short, because we just could not get the Congress to carry out the requests we made of them. I asked for the national registration of all guns and the licensing of those who carry those guns. For the fact of life is that there are over 160 million guns in this country--more firearms than families. If guns are to be kept out of the hands of the criminal, out of the hands of the insane, and out of the hands of the irresponsible, then we just must have licensing. If the criminal with a gun is to be tracked down quickly, then we must have registration in this country.

The voices that blocked these safeguards were not the voices of an aroused nation. They were the voices of a powerful lobby, a gun lobby, that has prevailed for the moment in an election year.

But the key to effective crime control remains, in my judgment, effective gun control. And those of us who are really concerned about crime just must--somehow, someday--make our voices felt. We must continue to work for the day when Americans can get the full protection that every American citizen is entitled to and deserves-the kind of protection that most civilized nations have long ago adopted. We have been through a great deal of anguish these last few months and these last few years-too much anguish to forget so quickly.

So now we must complete the task which this long needed legislation begins. We have come a long way. We have made much progress--but not nearly enough.

These remarks were made following the assassinations of JFK, RFK and Martin Luther King Jr.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

I'm not so sure. It's a similar mentality to his that has allowed the gun culture in the US to continue unopposed. Maybe not the wider conspiracy stuff, but the idea that without guns we can't defend ourselves against government, that we need to arm the general populace to oppose the rest of the armed general populace, that foreign nations with stricter gun laws are "enslaved" . . .

I'd say mikey's views on this are probably closer to the reality of many Americans than our own as Canadians.

You maybe right when it comes to his viewpoint, but rubecube is right when it comes to the futility of responding to mikey. The only upside is that you might convince someone who has a similar view point, but you aren't going to change his mind. I can't think of a time I've seen him concede a point, retract or admit he was wrong, ever.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

How about nobody, aside from police officers, carries a gun in public.

The only way to get there is to have strict gun laws in place, and enforce them. It won't be an instant fix, but it will set the US on the right path.

A state monopoly on force is never a good idea. It may not happen in your lifetime, but corruption and totalitarianism can rear its ugly head at any time.

Nobody has killed more people than corrupt, tyrannical governments. We're talking in the hundreds of millions here and this does not include militray conflict. The 20th century is riddled with examples of this.

Alot of gun grabbers say that citizens could never take on the military might of the United States if it goes rogue. America as a nation was born this way. A bunch of rednecks took on the British Imperial army and sent them packing. Guerrilla warfare is tough to defeat. The U.S. can't even beat a 3rd world nation like Afghanistan.

Just a few weeks ago, a mall shooter in Oregon was confronted by an armed citizen, the next bullet fired was the shooter ending his own life. There are numerous examples of citizens stopping shootings. Mass shootings ...almost without exception are carried out in gun-free zones like malls, schools, theaters etc.

Why don't they just hang up an "easy pickings" sign?

Now would be the worst time for Americans to hand in their guns. Mass shootings aside, crime rates have been plummeting due to the gun culture, except in places like Chicago where there are strict handgun laws. Chicago is the most dangerous city in the world right now.

In addition to this, you have this massive police state looming over America. The Dept. of Homeland Security has purchased 1.6 billion rounds of ammo in the last year for themselves and other government agencies, mostly hollow points too. Remember, DHS is a domestic agency. Americans are being spied on, there are empty prison camps, COG plans, Patriot Act, NDAA, domestic drones etc.

Americans are starting to realize this. They have been buying guns at a staggering pace since Obama came in.

Citizens cannot own guns in Mexico. Isn't that going well? The people there are at the mercy of gangs and drug cartels, and government corruption is rampant. If you want to feel safe, just admit yourself to prison.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Mikey's common sense solutions:

-temporarily suspend gun ownership when mental illness is detected and when a person has a prescription psychotropic.

-turn gun-free zones into places where citizens can conceal-carry or open-carry, including schools, malls etc.

I think this would do more to stop mass shootings than destroying the 2nd amendment.