Connecticut School Shooting

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by gargamel

If the Times Square bomber or the underwear bomber or the shoe bomber had used guns, they would have each probably killed dozens of people. As is, they killed a grand total of zero. Making a bomb may not be difficult, but there's a much better chance of failure for the would be killer with a bomb than there would be with a gun.

The Columbine killers original plan was to blow up the school using a large propane bomb they made following the Anarchists cookbook and shoot people escaping. Obviously the bomb didn't work and when the bomb experts looked at it said there was no chance it would have.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Azure

Pretty sure Rick Perry said that.

That and he's probably gonna run for President again.

Thanks Rick!

Sincerely

Comedians everywhere

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by prarieboy

I heard on the radio this morning some dude from Texas was saying he supports the teachers having concealed weapons. I think this is the most insane thing I have ever heard. Who in their right mind would send their kids to a school where the teachers are armed?

Call me cynical, but it seems more likely that arming thousands of teachers will make it more likely that a stressed out one will use it to 'discipline' a student before one of them stops a school shooting.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I can't beleive anyone actually uses assualt weapons for hunting. Although, I am no weapons expert, I would suggest there are better weapons for hunting. Many assualt weapons, by design, are not that good at pinpoint long range shots.

I guess it depends on what you call an assault rifle.

Because the grips, sights and the fact that something likes like a gun the military uses doesn't make it an assault rifle.

The gun the shooter uses shoots the standard .223 round that lots of people use for hunting. Is the 30 round clip necessary? Probably not, but I find it pretty sad that people think restricting magazine capacity will solve the problem.

[Red Ice Player]

Originally Posted by Azure

Pretty sure Rick Perry said that.

Pretty much right out of the Tea Party playbook. The same people who call teachers glorified babysitters. Now they want them to carry weapons....


http://thinkprogress.org/politics/20...ons/?mobile=nc

[crazy_eoj]

Originally Posted by Burninator

Call me cynical, but it seems more likely that arming thousands of teachers will make it more likely that a stressed out one will use it to 'discipline' a student before one of them stops a school shooting.

Agreed, but it seems that having an armed officer on site (isn't that already the case in many YYC high schools?) or at least one high level teacher/principal trained and armed might not be such a bad idea?

I think that's the case in Israel, as well, although I am not certain.

[crazy_eoj]

Originally Posted by Azure

I guess it depends on what you call an assault rifle.

Because the grips, sights and the fact that something likes like a gun the military uses doesn't make it an assault rifle.

The gun the shooter uses shoots the standard .223 round that lots of people use for hunting. Is the 30 round clip necessary? Probably not, but I find it pretty sad that people think restricting magazine capacity will solve the problem.

Would you call the Bushmaster AR-15 an assault rifle? Is it appropriate for hunting purposes?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I can't beleive anyone actually uses assualt weapons for hunting. Although, I am no weapons expert, I would suggest there are better weapons for hunting. Many assualt weapons, by design, are not that good at pinpoint long range shots.

Not only that, but I don't know a single hunter who thinks that bringing their gun downtown or somewhere public is a good idea. I'm more worried about people who own guns because of some kind of phantom threat to their security or simply because it is their "right" than anyone who has a gun because they hunt. At least hunting is something based on reality and not 18th century colonialism.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Azure

I guess it depends on what you call an assault rifle.

Because the grips, sights and the fact that something likes like a gun the military uses doesn't make it an assault rifle.

The gun the shooter uses shoots the standard .223 round that lots of people use for hunting. Is the 30 round clip necessary? Probably not, but I find it pretty sad that people think restricting magazine capacity will solve the problem.

No hunter I know that needs a 30 round mag. Also, the shorter the barrel, generally the loss accurate the rifle.


How would you classify the weapon the shooter used?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Burninator

Call me cynical, but it seems more likely that arming thousands of teachers will make it more likely that a stressed out one will use it to 'discipline' a student before one of them stops a school shooting.

If a teacher happens to be ex-military or something, its not so crazy to think that they could stop a shooter.

I don't agree with arming teachers, but I won't deny that someone with proper training couldn't stop something like this before it gets worse.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Azure

If a teacher happens to be ex-military or something, its not so crazy to think that they could stop a shooter.

I don't agree with arming teachers, but I won't deny that someone with proper training couldn't stop something like this before it gets worse.

Shooting is a skill, use it or lose it.

At one time I was a good shot, I reckon know I couldn't hit a barn if I was in it....

I strongly disagree with your post.

[Senator Clay Davis]

I'd like to say I'm surprised but nah.

The talk of new gun control measures that has followed Friday's mass shooting in a Newtown, Conn., elementary school has gun owners rushing to the nearest store and picking up new weapons, according to gun store owners and state police background check information.

On Saturday, Virginia state police fielded 4,166 requests for background checks, a 42 percent increase from the same Saturday last year and the highest number of transactions received in a single day since the program was implemented in 1989. Sunday's 1,828 background checks in Virginia represented a 43 percent increase from a year ago. Colorado also set a one-day record for background checks on Saturday with 4,200, the highest number since the program began in 1999.

Paul Decker, the owner of Hunters' Heaven in Hayes, Va., said he saw a big spike in sales over the weekend, with many customers buying the AR type of rifle allegedly used in the Newtown shooting. Gun control advocates want AR and other semi-automatic rifles banned, returning to the Bill Clinton-era policy that was the law of the land from 1994 to 2004. Also flying off the shelves were high-capacity magazines and ammunition, over fears Congress could vote to limit them.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...174415554.html

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by Azure

If a teacher happens to be ex-military or something, its not so crazy to think that they could stop a shooter.

I don't agree with arming teachers, but I won't deny that someone with proper training couldn't stop something like this before it gets worse.

I meant the situation that would arise first.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by crazy_eoj

Would you call the Bushmaster AR-15 an assault rifle? Is it appropriate for hunting purposes?

Because of the 30 round clip, yes I would.

As for hunting purposes, it is extremely effective if you're shooting gophers, prairie dogs, coyotes and such.

Like I said it uses the .223 round, which is often not eve used for shooting bigger game.

Most of the hunters I know use something a lot bigger. .30-30, 7mm, etc, etc.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

No hunter I know that needs a 30 round mag.

Agreed. The 30 round mag is not needed and should be banned IMO for civilian use.

Also, the shorter the barrel, generally the loss accurate the rifle.

Which is only a problem if you're hunting game that is a far distance away. But not if you're hunting gophers, which is what the .223 is often used for.

How would you classify the weapon the shooter used?

Like I said, because of the 30 round magazine, I think you have to call it an assault rifle.

The reason I'm bringing this up is because I know someone who owns a .22 Ruger with a 30 round clip that has the collapsible stock, sights, etc, etc....similar to what the AR-15 often has. Is it an assault rifle?

I'm not even sure if it is legal, but I have used it before to shoot gophers.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Shooting is a skill, use it or lose it.

At one time I was a good shot, I reckon know I couldn't hit a barn if I was in it....

I strongly disagree with your post.

Again, I'm not saying that I agree with arming teachers. I'm just saying that someone with proper training could have stopped this from getting out of hand if in the proper place.

Or at the very least keep the shooter from freely moving from room to room.

[polak]

I'd much rather you station a cop at every school like they do here at High Schools.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by polak

I'd much rather you station a cop at every school like they do here at High Schools.

Do they? I heard about that earlier as well.

I also agree that it is a much better idea.

Cop, bulletproof glass at the entrance, and heavy duty doors on each classroom that can withstand at least some form of an attack, and you've got a good start in terms of better protection.

Of course, we're just talking about 'help' when the problem has already occurred. A much more important conversation is how to prevent the problem to get to the point where the guy is taking the guns and heading for the school.

[Brannigans Law]

Originally Posted by Azure

Again, I'm not saying that I agree with arming teachers. I'm just saying that someone with proper training could have stopped this from getting out of hand if in the proper place.

Or at the very least keep the shooter from freely moving from room to room.

The best counter to this myth is in New York where cops shot 8 (#?) innocent bystanders trying to take down a crazed gunman at the Empire State building. This isn't call of duty; in real life people are running around in a panic and collateral damage is very real and happens.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Azure

Do they? I heard about that earlier as well.

As far as I know. At least at my High School they did.

There are a lot of other "less than legal" activities that take place at High Schools too.