2012-2013 Toronto Blue Jays Off Season Thread

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I wanted to split up the lefties, and I still think when Morrow is on, he is really on. He has #1 or #2 potential.

I don't care if we split up the lefties with Dickey, I just want him going the night before the guy with hardest stuff. It will benefit us the most IMO. Besides with 3 lefties, we will have to have back to back lefties at some point whether its 1-2, 2-3, 3-4, 4-5, or 5-1

[KootenayFlamesFan]

There's only 2 lefties.

I do agree with having Dickey throw after one of the fireballers. Maybe something like:

Johnson/Morrow
Dickey
Buehrle
Johnson/Morrow
Romero

Not sure how you slice it, but even your 3/4/5 guys are awesome. Every series could see at least one lefty and one guy who throws heat. So good.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

God, thats an insane problem to ponder!

I would go
Dickey
Johnson
Buerhle
Morrow
Romero...

Imagine in EVERY 3 game series, your going to see 1 hard thrower, a lefty and either a junk baller, a second hard thrower or a second lefty starter....

The rotation and lineup look so good, I'm now concerned about the bullpen again....

At least putting guys like Happ in the bullpen should give it more depth. For the experts, what's the Jays bullpen looking like right now? What about when Drabek comes back in June?

[KootenayFlamesFan]

I'm definitely no expert. But here's who I think is in there somwhere:

Happ
Cecil
Janssen
Delabar
Jenkins
Lincoln

How about Oliver, is he signed? And is Santos alive?

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I'm definitely no expert. But here's who I think is in there somwhere:

Happ
Cecil
Janssen
Delabar
Jenkins
Lincoln

How about Oliver, is he signed? And is Santos alive?

Oliver hasn't decided if he will play or retire... he is signed for one more year.

Santos will be ready for camp. Hope he's 100% as he has filthy stuff.

Then they have the new guy they traded Aviles for, Esmil Rogers, another power arm who also has good stuff, Jeremy Jeffress who they grabbed from KC, poor control but he can hit 100 and Aaron Loup who was real good last year too.

They'll have some tough calls to make in the pen, they have pretty good depth. Hopefully Oliver comes back and Santos is 100%. I think either way Jenkins opens the year in the minors now that they have Dickey and Happ is the swingman.

[Gozer]

If Oliver is on the fence about coming back, nothing could sway him more than adding a Cy Young winner to the staff. Another year of Oliver might be worth considering in a TdA + Snyd deal.

The deal seems steep - much more than I wanted to give up. But we're talking about moving a Cy Young winner; trading those guys costs the best assets in your system. Take it or leave it. I'm glad they took it. I hope there is more to the deal though.

As for the rotation, if Dickey is added.
Johnson
Buerle
Dickey
Morrow
Romero

The lefties are separated adequately, Dickey is followed by a fireballer, and the long-time Jays are set up to have good seasons. Buerle gets the nod as #2 guy and presumptive leader on the team, and it's a challenge to Romero's ego to be a bubble guy (but one he can't really dispute).

[Gozer]

Santos might be questionable early in the season (from the injury) but should be a contributor this year.

I have high expectations for the bullpen because Ant was so active trading to improve it late last season. Those of you gnashing at the trading of TdA, remember that Snider was moved for a guy that will pitch a fraction of the innings Dickey will. But hopefully Lincoln does well, as well as the rest of the crew down there.

[Gozer]

http://thesouthpawbaseball.blogspot.ca/

Southpaw takes this on, more-or-less says TdA is being undervalued.

[whosurnabby]

I'm definitely no expert. But here's who I think is in there somwhere:

Happ
Cecil
Janssen
Delabar
Jenkins
Lincoln

Take Jenkins outta' there (he needs more time in AAA) and re-insert Loup and we have a pretty legit BP for 2013. Here's hoping that a) Darren Oliver stops playing the waiting game and comes back for 2013 b) Brandon Lyon gets re-upped...he's a good late inning/setup guy and c) we'll get Luis Perez back before a *possible* playoff run (doesn't hurt if we can add another lefty in there). Also I don't mind having Brett Cecil in the BP to start the year. His career splits with lefties spells "LOOGY".

I am still 50/50 about this trade and refuse to pencil in the Jays as automatic AL EAST/wild card winners, because if you haven't been following this team for the past -oh i don't know- 19 years or even 10, SOMETHING ALWAYS GOES WRONG with the Blue Jays. Not to be a negative nancy or anything but I am "cautiously optimistic" about 2013.

Well, the jays are already likely going to see a huge bump in their ratings, similar to what was 2 years ago to last year. I know I'll be watching every game or PVRing it. They've also sold a huge amount of tickets as well, and will likely average 35K per night, shocking as that might be.

I think I've read somewhere that when the Skydome opened, during the "glory years", the Jays were leading the league in attendance. It wouldn't surprise me if the fans starts to "re-embrace" the Blue Jays, specially in Toronto. That city is STARVING to root for a CONTENDER (Argos don't count).

[TitovFTW]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

But the Jays are going to end up giving Dickey an extension that's comparable to FA contracts (assuming his asking price of $13M per season). Add that to the prospects and its a huge price. It's not like the Jays acquire a guy with a bunch of years left or is proven (to the level that this trade would suggest) or would be under their control for 5+ years.

Bah. We'll see when it shakes out.

They're also getting a season of a reigning CY Young pitcher at 5 million next season. That's huge in itself

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by TitovFTW

They're also getting a season of a reigning CY Young pitcher at 5 million next season. That's huge in itself

I assume that any extension Dickey signs will tack on significant dough to next year's $5M.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

I assume that any extension Dickey signs will tack on significant dough to next year's $5M.

Would think next season will be $5M then if a contract is signed years 2 thru 4 (guessing a 3 year extension) would have a fairly steep increase

[JayP]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

But the Jays are going to end up giving Dickey an extension that's comparable to FA contracts (assuming his asking price of $13M per season). Add that to the prospects and its a huge price. It's not like the Jays acquire a guy with a bunch of years left or is proven (to the level that this trade would suggest) or would be under their control for 5+ years.

Bah. We'll see when it shakes out.

That extension isn't comparable to FA contracts. What Dickey has been rumored to been asking for is almost exactly what Ryan Dempster got. A solid pitcher, but not one who's had an 2.95 ERA combined over the past 3 seasons (Dempster had a 4.04 from 2010-2012 for comparison).

James Shields has two years left at $10 million this season and $14 million next. Basically a little less than what Dickey should get in his extension and Dickey still has another year at $5 million left.

It'd be nice to get a guy like comparable to Dickey who's under team control, but those guys simply don't get traded often and if they do, it's for a bigger haul than what we gave up.

[jschick88]

Sources are now saying that negotiations with Dickey have ended successfully at an affordable rate and that the next step before an announcement can be made is for Jays' medical staff to examine the righthander at their spring training headquarters in Florida.

http://thestar.blogs.com/baseball/20...h-griffin.html

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by JayP

Look what KC just gave up for James Shields. A very good pitcher who was unbelievable last season, but that was his only season with an ERA below 3.50 in 7 MLB seasons. And he's already 31 so he's not exactly young either.

Teams are starting to realize that any pitcher worth a damn is getting big bucks in free agency and the only way to keep any costs down is via trade. That increase in demand has driven the asking prices way up. For a team like KC it makes no sense to pay them. For a team like the Jays, the added value of Dickey is worth millions upon millions of dollars if it gets them into the playoffs.

I'm just saying, comparatively, I would much rather give up D'arnaud, Syndergaard +++ for a guy like Price than the current package on the table for Dickey. I would be prepared to sell the farm for a younger starter with 5+ years ahead of him as a Jay rather than a guy with a 2-3 year window.

[The Big Chill]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

I'm just saying, comparatively, I would much rather give up D'arnaud, Syndergaard +++ for a guy like Price than the current package on the table for Dickey. I would be prepared to sell the farm for a younger starter with 5+ years ahead of him as a Jay rather than a guy with a 2-3 year window.

That's totally fair. I also think its totally fair to assume that AA has been exaughstive in his search for pitching and has found what he believes to be the best deal for the Jays.

[jschick88]

Boom!!!

Source: Dickey in agreement with #BlueJays on two-year, $25 million extension that he had requested from #Mets, pending physical.

#Mets-#BlueJays trade will be official as soon as Dickey passes physical. Contract will extend through '15, almost until his 41st birthday.

https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal

[nik-]

Well, I'm not a fan of this trade, but I hope I'm proven incredibly wrong.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

I was kind of hoping for 3 years, but 2 is ok. Thought it was going to be more than 26 million? Kind of surprised by the 25 number, but that's ok.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

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Dickey just landed in FLA to undergo his physical with the Jays. Some of his 2-year, $25m extension with TOR will be a signing bonus for '13