Connecticut School Shooting

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

yeah I don't really get the gun control argument from the nut jobs.

They are basically saying that if everyone had guns then killers would be deterred from attacking an armed location. (If this school had guns, the killer wouldn't even have attempted to go into the school).

But what if he still does? It's not like this guy was scared to die, he killed himself afterwards. Could the armed school people have protected the unarmed school people from being 'executed'? Maybe but then it just becomes a gunfight at the OK Corral in public areas, that can't be good either.

I am always suprised that many of the same people only a little while ago were blaming teachers and saying they are overpaid and incompetent are now suddenly more than capable to defend their students with a gun.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

No, there may be a copycat crime because there is some ###### wanting attention that has easy access to weapons that are only designed to kill people in close quarter situations. There is no practical use for a handgun other than shooting targets and shooting people. Personally I think that someone not being able to put holes into a piece of paper is a worthwhile sacrifice so that people don't have to continually bury their children in the most horrific of circumstances.

People having easy access to handguns kills people. I understand that the gun is just a tool that is used by someone with obvious mental problems, but then why make that tool easy to access?

Easy fella.... so what happens if the guy/gal uses a bomb instead of a gun?

[bugsy]

Found the constant references to 'evil' on CNN and FOX to be pretty telling. There is a gap in knowledge and understanding with regards to mental health.

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

Originally Posted by bugsy

Found the constant references to 'evil' on CNN and FOX to be pretty telling. There is a gap in knowledge and understanding with regards to mental health.

Coward is the description I've heard the most.

[opendoor]

David Booth with a predictably moronic take on things. And I thought players talking about the lockout made themselves look like idiots:

David Booth ‏@D_Booth7

Can't get over yesterday. Still thinking about CT. Wondering... with all the thoughts & PRAYERS why not bring Christ back into the schools?

David Booth ‏@D_Booth7

@HamDanhuis I'm just saying the morals that would be taught would help some of the violence.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Easy fella.... so what happens if the guy/gal uses a bomb instead of a gun?

god this argument is so ridiculous yet it keeps popping up. bombs are hard to make, let alone make them effective. why do you think so many Taliban and Al-Qaeda members are missing fingers/hands/eyes/etc. to legally purchase a gun in the US however is very easy. the argument is to make it less easy to kill masses of people in incidents like this, not impossible. using your logic, you could say "Well why didn't he just use a tank?"

hell i wish this nutjob would have tried to use a bomb. chances are he would have screwed it up and only end up taking himself out

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by HOOT

. There has to be a happy medium where people who want/need guns can get them but just not at the ease you can right now. You don't need to make laws so tight that people can't get guns to protect their home or family but why does someone need an assault rifle or 10 guns to do so?

I agree that you could stop well short of a ban. Would banning assault rifles, severely restricting other semi- automatics, enforcing meaningful background checks and having a one month waiting period be too much of an infringement of people' rights?

But the quote above highlights one of the core problems. How can so many people fear for the safety of their home and family? Personally I would feel very unsafe if I had guns in the house. Of all the reasons I've heard for Canadians to defend guns and fight the registry for exams, personal safety never came into it.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, Alabama, Arizona, Missouri, Tennessee, all very religious states (all in the Bible Belt except Arizona), all in the top 10 highest murder rates in the country.

Oregon, Maine, Minnesota, Rhode Island, Vermont, New Hampshire, all not very religious states, higher than average Atheist rates, all in the bottom 10 lowest murder rates in the country.

Maybe less God is actually the solution to violence. The book of fibs is full of reasons why you can justify killing people (working on the Sabbath as an easy example).

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

"Ideologies separate us. Dreams and anguish bring us together." - Eugene Ionesco

I think he had the sentences reversed.

[jammies]

Why do these debates always have to include people denigrating Americans as if all 300 million share the same values and are equally to blame for incidents like this? I'm no proponent of gun culture, but attack the ideas and denounce the people that actually hold them, not some imaginary amorphous evil blob named "America".

[TurnedTheCorner]

Because of the constitution, I imagine.

[moon]

Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, Alabama, Arizona, Missouri, Tennessee, all very hot states.

Oregon, Maine, Minnesota, Rhode Island, Vermont, New Hampshire, all are colder states

Maybe more snow is actually the solution to violence.

[moon]

Originally Posted by jammies

Why do these debates always have to include people denigrating Americans as if all 300 million share the same values and are equally to blame for incidents like this? I'm no proponent of gun culture, but attack the ideas and denounce the people that actually hold them, not some imaginary amorphous evil blob named "America".

Looking down on Americans as violent, ######ed, morons is one of the top things Canadians do to make themselves feel better about themselves.

Much easier to say America is terrible and Canada is awesome than look at the actually issues that go on in both countries (and Europe) to cause these things.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

But it's legal to own firearms in Canada with the proper licenses and reasons. A gun doesn't refuse to fire because of what it's being pointed at.

I have to think that it's something deeper, societal values and pressures that drive people into this. That article earlier about the knife attack in China - it mentioned that rapid societal change is letting mentally ill people slip through the cracks.

I have to think that our systems in place and Canadian society values play a larger part than we think in controlling situations like this.

I agree with you. I really do.

I don't think gun control will help.

But, despite that belief, I just want to ban them anyways. Maybe it will stop one attack. The US has a serious frickin' problem. I don't know what else to say.

This is just absolutely sickening. Look at us here on CP asking 'why?' Imagine what the parents of those poor, innocent kids are feeling. It is a completely acceptable response to want to ban guns.

Sadly, I don't think it is the solution to the overall problem.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by moon

Looking down on Americans as violent, ######ed, morons is one of the top things Canadians do to make themselves feel better about themselves.

Much easier to say America is terrible and Canada is awesome than look at the actually issues that go on in both countries (and Europe) to cause these things.

Gun violence in the US has been an issue for a long time. I have NO idea what you a insinuating in a discussion of gun violence by bringing up Canada and Europe which has way less incidents per capita than the US...what underlying "issues" are you even talking about?

The notion that Canadians are "making themselves feel good about themselves" by denigrating America's gun culture is laughable.

Americans, please, by all means, continue to rally around the 2nd Amendment, continue to repeat NRA memes, continue to ignore the number wrt to gun violence in the US vs other western nations.

What i feel better about is that the majority of Canadians like the fact there are strict gun ownership rules. I am glad we do not have a pervasive gun culture in Canada and we don't have lobby groups in the halls of government...

If Americans are offended by it, that's unfortunate, but its their democracy, so its Americans who are writing that history isn't it?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by jammies

Why do these debates always have to include people denigrating Americans as if all 300 million share the same values and are equally to blame for incidents like this? I'm no proponent of gun culture, but attack the ideas and denounce the people that actually hold them, not some imaginary amorphous evil blob named "America".

DFF, is that you?



While there is much to dislike about generalities, the attitudes of many american posters in this thread illustrate one of the reasons those generalities exist. There is a fundamental reticence in American culture to deal with gun crime by limiting the access to firearms.

It's just that simple. Most of the Americans in this thread will not entertain/get on board that the access to firearms needs to be restricted. What else is there to say?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Umm, you do realize the problem is so much deeper than just poor family relations right? Saying its bad parenting is as simplistic as saying gun control will fix things.

Well, saying the problems go a lot deeper than family issues applies to 'guns' too.

Like I said, it is a completely acceptable response to want to ban guns after an incident like this. The problem is I'm not so sure if solves the actual underlying problem.

[FlamesAddiction]

Good grief... it just gets sicker:

http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/c...cal-examiner-5

All the victims of the Connecticut elementary school shooting were shot several times at close range from a rifle, said the state's chief medical examiner.

Dr. H. Wayne Carver called it a "very devastating set of injuries" at a news conference on Saturday, where police released a list of the victims. Eight were boys and 12 were girls. All the children were aged 6 or 7.
Carver himself had examined seven bodies —all were first graders. They had been shot at least three to 11 times, he said.

The examiners asked parents to identify the victims using photos.

Eleven times.... That's pretty sadistic.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

Like PIM mentioned, Obama is in his last term. Imagine the legacy he could leave if he was able to introduce some meaningful measure of gun control. He might be hated by few, but I believe the majority would support him.

First he has to believe in the gun control that you're talking about, and second he has to get lots on both sides to agree with him, and that is never going to happen.

[transplant99]

Here are the names of those killed at the school, as provided by state police: Charlotte, 6; Daniel, 7; Rachel Davino, 29; Olivia, 6; Josephine, 7; Ana, 6; Dylan, 6; Dawn Hocksprung, 47; Madeleine, 6; Catherine, 6; Chase, 7; Jesse, 6; James, 6; Grace, 7; Anne Marie Murphy, 52; Emilie Parker, 6; Jack, 6; Noah, 6; Caroline, 6; Jessica, 6; Avielle, 6; Lauren Russeau, 30; Mary Sherlach, 56; Victoria Soto, 27; Benjamin, 6; Allison, 6.