2012-2013 Toronto Blue Jays Off Season Thread

[Hockey Fan #751]

Originally Posted by jschick88

Agree. Doesn't sound like he is willing to sign an extension either. So landing Dickey would be just for one year for at the cost of Gose and ??. I wouldn't do it.

I don't think Jays make this deal without the extension.

I'm shocked Dickey woudn't want to sign one. At his age he's willing to play another season before signing a deal?

[The Big Chill]

I doubt there is really a problem with the extension. Seems more likely that it is just haggling over the amount. Of course that is making the assumption that we are even talking to him yet.

[The Big Chill]

Bowden says that Dickey's agent told him that there have been no talks with the Jays or any other teams about an extension. This could all just be another rumour gone wild.

[jschick88]

Finding out from trusted source that #Bluejays closing in on Dickey story certainly does have legs. Will keep a close eye. #Jays

https://twitter.com/Wilnerness590

[jschick88]

#BlueJays growing confident they will acquire RA Dickey, source says.

https://twitter.com/jonmorosi

[d_phaneuf]

if he signs an extension, absolutely no problem giving up JPA and Gose

JPA is replaceable (even if TDA doesn't work out)

[jschick88]

One high-level exec from another team that has pursued RA Dickey believes he is being traded to Toronto.
https://twitter.com/jonmorosi

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

if he signs an extension, absolutely no problem giving up JPA and Gose

JPA is replaceable (even if TDA doesn't work out)

Buck is basically JPA getting 6 million a year.

So it's not like we're going to be missing him.

I'd prefer to give up Rasmus all things being equal instead of Gose, but I'd be fine ultimately with either going.

[The Big Chill]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

if he signs an extension, absolutely no problem giving up JPA and Gose

JPA is replaceable (even if TDA doesn't work out)

I agree. I don't want to see Gose go, but if there is an extension in place then I can live with it. It certainly makes us a better team for this upcoming season.

This is getting pretty exciting.

[jschick88]

Fan590 just said rumors are that the price is JPA and Gose.

[jschick88]

Just for fun if we landed Dickey where would he slot into the rotation? Behind Johnson?

[The Big Chill]

Originally Posted by jschick88

Just for fun if we landed Dickey where would he slot into the rotation? Behind Johnson?

I imagine they would want to split up Morrow and Johnson from each other, and also split Buehrle and Romero. Maybe:

Morrow
Buehrle
Johnson
Romero
Dickey

[TitovFTW]

The price is going to be way higher then JPA and Gose. People might be shocked at how much the Jays give up. It's going to take a hell of a lot

[nik-]

I feel like I'm in the Twilight zone. Does no one else think this is a little crazy? Knuckleballer or not, this guy is 38 years old. Also, no, I don't think Tim Wakefield is a good counter to his age, Wakefield had a pretty solid career for a long time. This is being based on two pretty outlying years. Ok the guy won the Cy Young, but it's not like he was a solid pitcher that got better and better and won it, he came out of nowhere to do it with a gimmick pitch. A very short term move imo, I don't know if I'm a fan of that cost for it.

[The Big Chill]

Originally Posted by TitovFTW

The price is going to be way higher then JPA and Gose. People might be shocked at how much the Jays give up. It's going to take a hell of a lot

And what makes you think that? He is 38 and has one year left on his contract. If they want much more then JPA and Gose then I doubt a deal gets done.

[moon]

Originally Posted by nik-

I feel like I'm in the Twilight zone. Does no one else think this is a little crazy? Knuckleballer or not, this guy is 38 years old. Also, no, I don't think Tim Wakefield is a good counter to his age, Wakefield had a pretty solid career for a long time. This is being based on two pretty outlying years. Ok the guy won the Cy Young, but it's not like he was a solid pitcher that got better and better and won it, he came out of nowhere to do it with a gimmick pitch. A very short term move imo, I don't know if I'm a fan of that cost for it.

Depends on what you expect of him. If you trade for him to be the 3/4/5 guy then it isn't that crazy. If you are expecting him to recreate the career year he had last year for this year and/or beyond then it is very crazy.

Doesn't sound like the Jays are giving up that much if it is JPA and Gose. If TDA gets in there then maybe it becomes a lot to give up.

[The Big Chill]

Originally Posted by nik-

I feel like I'm in the Twilight zone. Does no one else think this is a little crazy? Knuckleballer or not, this guy is 38 years old. Also, no, I don't think Tim Wakefield is a good counter to his age, Wakefield had a pretty solid career for a long time. This is being based on two pretty outlying years. Ok the guy won the Cy Young, but it's not like he was a solid pitcher that got better and better and won it, he came out of nowhere to do it with a gimmick pitch. A very short term move imo, I don't know if I'm a fan of that cost for it.

I agree there is risk, but Dickey is better then you say. He has had at least 3 good years now, so he didn't quite come out of nowhere.

I am still a little gunshy about giving up young players, but I will be very excited if we do go ahead and do it. I would trust AA to restock our outfield prospects.

[TitovFTW]

Had Dickey come out of nowhere last season, I'd be more skeptical. But he does have a larger sample size then just that.

Here's the thing for the Bluejays. How many chances do you get to bring a pitcher of this talent to your team? When we talk about a #1 guy coming off a CY Young season. Even though I think some people would be shocked at the price, it will still be considerably less then going after another #1- Cy Young Candidate. While there's risk involved I suppose in Dickey falling back, it's also very team friendly that you'll only have him sign likely a two year contract. As long as you're not gutting your system with this trade, it's not a franchise killer. Any other pitcher of Dickey's caliber and you're not only giving up more prospects and players but also having to spend about 20-25 million over the next 5 seasons. This would make sense for AA because I think ownership would be on board with a 2 year contract.

Edwin Jackson is going to get 5 years and a ton of money. There's no other quality starting pitching really out there, and that includes trades. Maybe at the trade deadline one becomes available, but you're only getting that pitcher for a quarter of the season. I'm not the biggest Dickey supporter but if he has another strong season, he's the type of guy that takes a 90 win team to a 97 win team. He gets you over the hump.

I also expect the Jays will get another piece from the Mets, they have a chance to use some leverage considering the Mets are not in a win now mode, that they could get another piece as a throw in. I expect multiple parts moving from the Mets if this does happen.

[octothorp]

I'm honestly not sure where I stand on this being a good deal or bad deal for the Jays, and it definitely looks like there's some risk and upside. But I do know this: I would love to cheer for a knuckle-baller on the Jays rotation.

[moon]

Originally Posted by TitovFTW

Had Dickey come out of nowhere last season, I'd be more skeptical. But he does have a larger sample size then just that.

Here's the thing for the Bluejays. How many chances do you get to bring a pitcher of this talent to your team? When we talk about a #1 guy coming off a CY Young season. Even though I think some people would be shocked at the price, it will still be considerably less then going after another #1- Cy Young Candidate.

That's because he is worth considerably less than a real #1- Cy Young candidate.

I think teams have had plenty of chances to bring guys of Dickey's talent to their team.