Connecticut School Shooting

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

You're seriously comparing police interviewing the kids as witnesses to figure out what happened and some sleazy reporter shoving a mic in front of some poor kid who just saw their classmates get murderes in cold blood?

I didn't make a comparison. I said they would be interviewed by police and possibly media, in both cases with permission of the parents.

Doesn't make it the right call or the wrong call, but if they're okay with their children commenting, I have no problem with the mike coming in.

If parents provide the permission, the media are on the right side of the ethical barrier for sure.

Do not take the above as myself councilling that parents SHOULD provide that permission. That's a different conversation.

Cowperson

[Nehkara]

I know it won't make a difference but I tweeted @CNN and told them they should not be interviewing the kids... of course they should already know that...

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by valo403

I'd agree that this very moment isn't the time to have that debate, at least not in terms of the President having it. Let's get through the actual event first. Tonight though, or when the dust settles, is a different story.

Unfortunetly I think we both know the debate isn't coming. No one has the balls to stand up to the NRA. Obama doesn't even have to worry about re-election and he fears the NRA.

[vektor]

Originally Posted by valo403

As someone who has split their adult life between the 2 countries that is entirely BS.

Collectively more aware of each others well being? Give me a break. You'll see more acts o kindness? Absolute myopic garbage.

so your saying the US has the same social conscience as Canada because social policies definitely indicate otherwise. I love how when someone is confronted with something they don't like all they do is trash the opinion instead of actually forming an opinion against that is a coherent argument. Maybe I'm wrong but atleast I form my opinions logically instead of spewing hatred at whatever I don't agree with

[Minnie]

Just waiting for the religious right to start barking about how this happened because people aren't best pals with Jesus.

Already heard that from my crazy religious relatives - 'Oh they just need Jesus! And to get back to going to chuuuuuuuuuuuurch" replete with hand clasping.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by vektor

yeah, we are collectively more aware of eachothers' well being. While Canadians can be extremely mean the arrogance and consumerism in the U.S. is more rampant, they have more people on pharmaceuticals and their food is more processed. You will see acts of kindness way more often in Canada than in the U.S. Our social policies and higher tax rates create a society where we are forced to help the less fortunate as where in the U.S. it's dog eat dog.


the U.S. has 6 of the top 12 pharmaceutical companies in the world and are more drugged up than anywhere else

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ical_companies

to say that the situation is the same everywhere else in the world is naive

I presume that those companies don't sell their drugs in any other o####ries?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by fotze

How was that comment tasteless? Maybe tasteless to morons who use the 'guns don't kill people' argument, but it in no way makes light of the situation.

I know the mob thing in these threads is on the lookout, but be patient, there will be someone truly deserving of it, that comment from girly was absolutely nothing but a sarcastic jab at the moronic 'guns don't kill people' crowd.

How it was made, was tastless. Clearly many posters took it to be serious, perhaps in a time of charged emotions one should be clear on the context/reasons for your comments.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by vektor

yeah, we are collectively more aware of eachothers' well being. While Canadians can be extremely mean the arrogance and consumerism in the U.S. is more rampant, they have more people on pharmaceuticals and their food is more processed. You will see acts of kindness way more often in Canada than in the U.S. Our social policies and higher tax rates create a society where we are forced to help the less fortunate as where in the U.S. it's dog eat dog.


the U.S. has 6 of the top 12 pharmaceutical companies in the world and are more drugged up than anywhere else

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ical_companies

to say that the situation is the same everywhere else in the world is naive

What does "drugged up" mean, and do you have some idea on what "drugs" do? Most drugs dispensed are: Antibiotics, blood pressure medications and cholesterol medications. Do they make people kill? If you are discussing antidepressants, are you suggesting they increase violence despite hard factual evidence to the contrary?


Or more likely, are you speaking out of your nationalistic ass?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by vektor

so your saying the US has the same social conscience as Canada because social policies definitely indicate otherwise. I love how when someone is confronted with something they don't like all they do is trash the opinion instead of actually forming an opinion against that is a coherent argument. Maybe I'm wrong but atleast I form my opinions logically instead of spewing hatred at whatever I don't agree with

What's your opinion? That Canadians are better people? That's garbage.

[RedMileDJ]

I'm at a loss for words. Just the thought of what those kids witnessed and the nightmare of the situation.

I'm literally sick to my stomach.

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Guns are absolutely, positively, the reason why the frequency of this is increasing. Guns enable quick, violent assaults.

America obviously has a huge gun problem, but there's more to it than that. Were guns less readily available 20 years ago than they are today? I think it's more about a culture that makes everyone think they'll get their 15 minutes of fame, and when some of these mentally ill people realize they aren't as special as they were lead to believe, they do something like this to make sure that the world hears their name before they check out. I don't know what the solution is, but gun control and readily available mental health services are two good places to start.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by valo403

What's your opinion? That Canadians are better people? That's garbage.

No no, he made that argument logically. We cannot understand that logic, but he says it's there

[albertGQ]

So do we know what the motive is yet?

And did the shooter kill himself?

[vektor]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

hard factual evidence to the contrary?


Or more likely, are you speaking out of your nationalistic ass?

No, I'm speaking from my psychology degree. And despite what you may think there is in fact hard factual evidence linking psychiatric drugs to having severe side effects such as suicidal ideations and uncontrolled violent behavior in certain cases, especially when different psychiatrics are mixed. Maybe you people should read instead of spewing hatred, I am not nationalistic at all, I think coherently and listen to others' opinion. All I am getting back is hatred for having a viewpoint that is less common, the less intelligent mind lashes out instead of thinking objectively.

Originally Posted by valo403

What's your opinion? That Canadians are better people? That's garbage.

now we're putting words into my mouth, too bad half of you are too stupid to have a logical debate with.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Minnie

Just waiting for the religious right to start barking about how this happened because people aren't best pals with Jesus.

Already heard that from my crazy religious relatives - 'Oh they just need Jesus! And to get back to going to chuuuuuuuuuuuurch" replete with hand clasping.

Or the church groups that will be saying "God needed the children back in heaven".

Hey, I think we can all agree that regardless if that's true or not, the way he took them was a pretty ####ed up way to do it. God sure does his tasks in macabre ways.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by vektor

In my opinion it's mostly a mental health problem. There is too much stress, too much consumerism, too much unhealthy food and too many pharmaceutical drugs driving the Americans crazy. They are going to stop the symptom (gun control) and the problem will only fester to worse things, making lethal devices is not hard, you could make a large explosive with $50 worth of material that would do just the same amount of damage as this school shooting. It's horrific what's happening and people need to look at the root cause, their society has fundamental issues with the majority of lifestyle patterns.

I agree about it possibly being a mental health problem, but I don't agree with the causes. Canada is very similar in those aspects yet the US has a seemingly out of proportion mass shooting problem. I honestly don't know why. I do wonder though that people with severe mental problems are falling through the cracks greater in the US than other countries.

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

One has to be very careful in setting policies or laws in the emotion of a crisis or event. Look at the Patriot Act. The White House is right in saying that today is not the time to talk about gun laws.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by valo403

As someone who has split their adult life between the 2 countries that is entirely BS.

Collectively more aware of each others well being? Give me a break. You'll see more acts o kindness? Absolute myopic garbage.

No need to continue to engage the dude. To some people the answer to every societal problem is always higher taxes, more socialism, and organic food.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by vektor

No, I'm speaking from my psychology degree. And despite what you may think there is in fact hard factual evidence linking psychiatric drugs to having severe side effects such as suicidal ideations and uncontrolled violent behavior in certain cases, especially when different psychiatrics are mixed. Maybe you people should read instead of spewing hatred, I am not nationalistic at all, I think coherently and listen to others' opinion. All I am getting back is hatred for having a viewpoint that is less common, the less intelligent mind lashes out instead of thinking objectively.


now we're putting words into my mouth, too bad half of you are too stupid to have a logical debate with.

Just stop. While valo comes across as judgmental and condescending sometimes, your points are weak at best, and likely meritless.

[jschick88]

Maybe him?
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