I think it would be foolhardy at this stage to decide that the N-SE line will or should have a completely different style of train.
At this point, it's unlikely that the SE/NC line will have any physical connection to the other lines, so there is no reason to use the same trains. When you can pick from any style to start with, it's probably unlikely that we get trains compatible with the current ones.
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I don't think it's been mentioned here - you won't be seeing the old U2 cars on the w/ne line. In part because the U2 cars can't go up the hill along the west line very well.
I don't think it's been mentioned here - you won't be seeing the old U2 cars on the w/ne line. In part because the U2 cars can't go up the hill along the west line very well.
So the lowest capacity cars are staying on the much busier line?
True qualitatively I suppose, but not in scale. It's a pain the Beltline, but in Kincora it's only nominally in the realm of possibility.
Well of course not in scale, but at some point it doesn't matter if something is 1km away or 10km away. If it's a pain in the ass to get to by walking or public transit, you're not going unless it's by car.
I know it's low down on the priority list, but at some point there will need to be more attention paid to getting around the inner city. Because if the city is going to have the 2nd highest parking rates in NA, then there better be some alternatives.
The push for more bike lanes is a great (and relatively cheap) start, but even those are somewhat seasonal, and unless they are separated, it won't be seen as very safe by a lot of people considering how terrible drivers are here in dealing with bikes.
I still would love to see to see some sort of Beltine > Kensington > Bridgeland >Inglewood > East Village > Victoria Park > Mission > Beltline Loop in the next decade. Doesn't have to be fancy (or specifically that loop)....a euro style at-grade streetcar type of setup. Probably could've had something like that if all those wasted Ralph Bucks were pooled into something useful.
^We'll have to get you on the Beltline Transportation Committee, as facsimiles these routes (and moreso the line of thinking) are on our agenda.
The new Route 412 (minus the leg that goes all the way to Westgate - we didn't necessarily want that) is something we fought for and is a small step toward this.
Wow, tomorrow's going to be crazy for transit. With all the hiccups and confusion that are sure to happen with the West LRT, now the added mess the Crowchild delays will cause will make for a frustrating day.
Arbour Lake to Kincora at night? Tough trip to serve effectively. We have to remember that in most cities, communities like Kincora would have no transit service at all. Interesting reading his experiences. Seems pretty typical - his downtown commute is easy and quick, but other trips around the city are hit and miss depending on where and when he is going.
The only way to solve that issue would be have a bus that runs up CH Boulevard and then he could connect to that then connect to a Kincora bus.
Honestly I am surprised there is no CH Boulevard bus line. Nose Hill Park sort of makes it difficult to create a stable bus system in that area.
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^There was one - the 430. It was altered partly due to poor ridership. It now only goes between the Airport and the Northpointe (Harvest Hills Blvd/Country Hills Blvd) terminal. It used to go all the way to Crowfoot.
Just went through most of the future plans at RouteAhead.ca. Nothing really huge to add on my part but it's nice seeing such well laid out plans available to the public. The meat of it is in part four for those wondering.
This HOV trend in these plans is really getting out of control. We don't need HOV's everywhere, especially on roads that should be freeways. Just build lanes and it'll help with the problem as much, if not more-so.
This HOV trend in these plans is really getting out of control. We don't need HOV's everywhere, especially on roads that should be freeways. Just build lanes and it'll help with the problem as much, if not more-so.
It's moving from giving incentives to take transit / bike / walk / carpool towards penalizing you for single person car commutes. There will be more gridlock because of this!
Good video of Nenshi answering questions regarding a whole range of issues.
A few good transit points.
1 - W LRT largest construction project in City History (1.4B)
2 - True tunnel cost was 171M, 250M for the road extension and eventually 500M for the whole expressway from Centre Street to Stoney Trail (20yr time frame)
3 - SE LRT cost estimate is 3.5B
4 - NC and SE LRT to be built as 1 continuous line
5 - Current SE Transit to downtown takes about 60 minutes
6 - Step 1 to increase SE dedicated HOV lanes hope decrease that to 45 minutes
7 - LRT final step 35 minutes
Honestly I think its a smart move to smart with dedicated bus lanes. I dont know much of where the alignment of the SE LRT would go but up Centre Street it looks like the plan is to create 2 dedicated HOV Lanes (1 N and 1 S) as a precursor to eventual transit. Sounds like they have the same plan for the SE LRT.
I think Shaganappi dedicated HOV lanes will only come after expanding Shag to 3 lanes in both directions.
I will say this, I do think Calgary Transit should pause its Ctrain line extensions and work on other capital projects.
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It's moving from giving incentives to take transit / bike / walk / carpool towards penalizing you for single person car commutes. There will be more gridlock because of this!
Considering that new mixed-occupancy lanes will quickly become just as congested as before, it would be nice to see the new lanes help people using high occupancy vehicle get somewhere.
It can be very difficult to get pre-existing lanes turned from mixed-traffic to bus lanes. As such, it makes sense to avoid the lengthy and taxing battle by just building the lanes as HOV or bus lanes from the start.
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Honestly I think its a smart move to smart with dedicated bus lanes. I dont know much of where the alignment of the SE LRT would go but up Centre Street it looks like the plan is to create 2 dedicated HOV Lanes (1 N and 1 S) as a precursor to eventual transit. Sounds like they have the same plan for the SE LRT.
Well they might have just started this up at McKnight Blvd and Centre street as they just finished creating a North and a South Bus/Bike lane. Although that is to help get the buses past the gridlock that is that intersection at rush hour.
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You guys are complaining about one road that's to get HOV lanes in the LONG term?
We don't even have any details about the project, and since it's long term, it might never even be done!
I bet for the cost of a little more than the proposed Crowchild fixes, they could bridge at least one of Shag or Sarcee so more traffic can bypass Crow all together. Bow and other routes would also need major fixes, but it'd still probably cost less than reinventing the wheel on Crowchild.
