2012-2013 Toronto Blue Jays Off Season Thread

[jschick88]

Blue Jays Top 20 Prospects at MinorLeagueBaseball.com
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/...pects-for-2013

Grade A prospects are the elite
Grade B prospects have a good chance to enjoy successful careers
Grade C prospects are the most common type

1) Travis D'Arnaud, C, Grade A-
2) Noah Syndergaard, RHP, Grade A-: Borderline B+
3) Aaron Sanchez, RHP, Grade B+: Borderline A-
4) Roberto Osuna, RHP, Grade B+
5) Marcus Stroman, RHP, Grade B
6) Sean Nolin, LHP, Grade B
7) D.J. Davis, OF, Grade B-
8) Daniel Norris, LHP, Grade B-
9) Matt Smoral, LHP, Grade B-
10) A.J. Jimenez, C, Grade C+
11) Santiago Nessy, C, Grade C+
12) John Stilson, RHP, Grade C+
13) Alberto Tirado, RHP, Grade C+
14) Chase DeJong, RHP, Grade C+
15) Christian Lopes, 2B, Grade C+
16) Adonys Cardona, RHP, Grade C+
17) Kevin Pillar, OF, Grade C+
18) Mitch Nay, 3B, Grade C+
19) Tyler Gonzales, RHP, Grade C+
20) Franklin Barreto, SS, Grade C+

[TitovFTW]

Originally Posted by troutman

Would the Jays be interested in free agent Brian Wilson?

Not with the current market for relief pitchers. it's insane the terms of the contracts being thrown out there for relief arms.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by TitovFTW

Not with the current market for relief pitchers. it's insane the terms of the contracts being thrown out there for relief arms.

I'm pretty satisfied with the Jays bullpen as is... don't want to see the Jays burn more payroll $ on the pen then they have to. I think their full up already and I'd rather see them use farmhands/failed starters for any additional relief pitching.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by jschick88

Elliott: "Am told" Arencibia and Gose gets the Jays Dickey, "but Mets still looking for better offers."



https://twitter.com/BringVottoHome

I'm not concerned about losing JPA, because AA can always swing a deal for a temporary C who can provide just about as good offensive numbers. Gose, as mentioned before, is special because of his speed and arm, though, it's hard to say if he'll even be a star because of his offence. If I'm the Mets, I don't blame them for searching for better offers, but I don't search for long as there likely aren't any better offers for a 38 year old. I trust in AA, but I think that package can get a younger starter with more years under contract. I hope that this deal blows up.

[jschick88]

Jason Grilli will decide between Cubs, Blue Jays, Giants and Pirates at 10 am, or earlier if one goes to 3 years

https://twitter.com/pgammo

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by jschick88

Jason Grilli will decide between Cubs, Blue Jays, Giants and Pirates at 10 am, or earlier if one goes to 3 years

https://twitter.com/pgammo

I remember when Grilli played for the Cannons and was one of the top pitching prospects in the Marlins farm system.

[Caged Great]

I'd be pleased if we got him. We'd need another lefty pen guy as well.

[Jiggy_12]

According to mlbtr, Jays are actually in talks for Dickey. Sounds like at least Gose could be in play.

[bluejays]

I don't mind dealing Gose - only for the right player though. Dickey isn't the right player. I'd actually deal him back for a guy like Halladay. Not because of making the fans go crazy, but rather, because he's one of the most reliable guys in the league. I really, really hope they don't go after a one season wonder.

[nik-]

Yeah, I wouldn't really be happy with that deal

[Caged Great]

All things being even, I'd rather trade Rasmus just due to the extra couple years of control on Gose as they are both more or less equivalent players (rasmus more with the bat, gose more with D).

The thing with having quality depth is that you can deal from that to get something solid elsewhere. I'm all for getting Dickey, especially if you can get him to sign for 2 or 3 years beyond next year.

[Jiggy_12]

Dickey is interesting. If you believe the Jays can and should contend THIS year, then Gose for Dickey works. It improves the team now and makes the rotation just filthy.

Dickey
Johnson
Buerhle
Morrow
Romero

Four number #1/2's and a #3/4 with 1/2 potential (Romero)

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

Dickey is interesting. If you believe the Jays can and should contend THIS year, then Gose for Dickey works. It improves the team now and makes the rotation just filthy.

Dickey
Johnson
Buerhle
Morrow
Romero

Four number #1/2's and a #3/4 with 1/2 potential (Romero)

With the Yankees and Orioles not looking as threatening and the Red Sox looking like they'll be in the middle of the road, it's as good of a time any to go for it. Getting Dickey would definitely add a handful of wins next year, probably would add 5-7 wins over having Happ in the rotation.

I'd prefer to keep both Gose and Rasmus as well as JPA and TDA but if you're going to go for it, we do have quality guys right behind the establish guys so if it makes sense, why not.

[GirlySports]

any rumour involving the Jays is not true

[The Big Chill]

Dickey would be great to add for the upcoming season, I just don't feel comfortable giving up a player like Gose who could be a high quality player for many years. I'd probably offer JPA and a lesser prospect like Sierra, although its unlikely the Mets would go for that.

Dickey throws over 80mph, so while he doesn't wear his arm out as much as a regular pitcher, he still wears it out more then Wakefield did. I don't imagine he will pitch beyond 42 yrs old.

[TitovFTW]

I'm not sure Dickey is a 5-7 WAR better then Happ, actually I'm positive he's not. I was rather encouraged by Happ at the end of the season with the Jays, small sample size and all. My only thinking is, if you're going to even think about giving away Anthony Gose, why not go after someone else? AA has pretty much said that any big contract added now would have to cause for some movement the other way financially. if you're giving up 6 years of control of Gose, who right now I think has the much better future then Rasmus, you'd have to be sure you could re-sign Dickey or risk giving up 4 of your top 10 prospects for two pitchers who could opt for free agency next offseason and you only got 1 service year out of them. Those are the type of moves that kill franchises. Now if you do re-sign Dickey, you're going to have to go into double digits for multiple years and that ties up a lot of your money, not to mention the potential risk factor in Dickey continuing his career high season.

AA did say he thinks the Jays farm system could withstand one more big move. I just wouldn't understand this move at all. The money could be spent better elsewhere, Gose's value could be used in a better spot and this is not a season to go all in.

And to be honest, if you're going all in on next season and going to spend that much money on Dickey, why not go after Greinke, McCarthy or even Jackson? Don't half ass it and even if you do have to give up more money and a longer term, you don't lose any players. How nice is a piece like Gose going to be at the trade deadline next season?

I want to believe this is just hearsay, but it keeps getting reported on multiple platforms. It would make zero sense to me

[TitovFTW]

One thing to look for, I can't remember what MLB personality brought this up, that any trade for Dickey would have to include other parts for the Jays to make a move. Something like the Florida deal. Then the topic of conversation becomes what else do the Mets have that the Jays could use?

[Flames in 07]

I don't like all the sentiment like they need to go for it all in 2013. To have all the build up over the last 5 years, with all the draft picks, farm system development and established player selloffs for a big run in 2013 would be very disappointing. What they need to do is parlay the Miami trade into several solid years where at any time they are within striking distance. All the while letting the top tier talent they have been building up develop into solid starters. If they see as a season develops they are a piece or two away then you can sell off prospects for players in contract years. But to do so in December when you are competing with dozens of teams with their checkbooks out seems like the wrong time for Toronto to pick up another front of the order guy. What if Happ improves? then they don't need to give up so much for a player in a contract year.

[Jason14h]

I'm not sure Dickey is a 5-7 WAR better then Happ, actually I'm positive he's not.

Happ is not remotely a good pitcher.

If Dickey is the Dickey of last year, he will be 5-7 games better. It all comes down to whether the team believes Dickey is what he showed last year.

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by TitovFTW

I'm not sure Dickey is a 5-7 WAR better then Happ, actually I'm positive he's not.

You're looking at a guy like Verlander to be 5-7 WAR better than Happ.

Dickey averaged 4 WAR over the last three seasons, and it's not unreasonable to expect him to maintain that for the next three. That's an excellent addition to a team that is pushing to go deep in the playoffs. A stat-based-projection would support having him start the first playoff game for the Jays - Dickey isn't a fluke and his would-be contributions shouldn't be scoffed at.

Gose is probably worth more than Dickey in a vacuum, but we're not talking about adding Gose in his prime to Joey Bats and in his - Gose would be part of a different team by the time he's as good as we hope he could be.

I'd make this deal:
JP + Gose + any prospect who's name I don't know for Dickey with an extension for 2-3 years around $10-14M.

Adding a Cy Young winner to a team pushing to contend is a no-brainer, and should not be blocked by a player that is 2-3 years away.
If AA thinks Gose could contribute this year then I'd be ok with moving Rasmus. I'd even move TdA if it's a bigger deal with more pieces.

The horizon needs to be closer than it has been since the Halladay trade and draft-pick strategy that marked most of Ant's tenure.

All that said, based on how the Jays have operated under Ant, Girly is right.
If we hear it might happen then it surely won't.