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Old 11-29-2012, 12:43 PM   #101
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Well that I can agree with, that's a lot more realistic. But the cuts have to come somewhere when you're spending more than you bring in.
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Or through increasing revenue, such as a sales tax (a recommendation of many observers [for example] incidentally.)
I tend to think that both of these options are best used together.
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Old 11-29-2012, 12:45 PM   #102
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Wild Rose Party people should be focusing less on trying to discredit the government with strained accusations of corruption and more on bringing their party to reflect a party capable of governing a modern, cosmopolitan jursidiction.
Thanked and quoted. The amount of US style politics they're bringing into this province disappointing.
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Old 11-29-2012, 12:51 PM   #103
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Her ex-husband is not the father of her child. They divorced in 1991 and her daughter is only 10 years old.
They divorced over 20 years ago?

I can see it being a conflict of interest if they were still married, or maybe even divorced a couple of years ago.

But a couple of decades? This is ridiculous.
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Old 11-29-2012, 12:52 PM   #104
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Don't all right wing parties do this?
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Old 11-29-2012, 01:47 PM   #105
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False dichotomy. They can do both. And frankly, the role of the opposition is to hold the government accountable.

Perhaps you're just not used to actually having an opposition in this province.
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Only right wing parties do this?

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False dichotomy. They can do both. And frankly, the role of the opposition is to hold the government accountable.

Perhaps you're just not used to actually having an opposition in this province.
So far, I've seen no indication of them doing both. Although, it may be coming, as apparently this was a topic of discussion at their meeting last week. Turn down the crazy and become more relevant. I'm interested to see how it plays out.
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Old 11-29-2012, 02:00 PM   #108
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False dichotomy. They can do both. And frankly, the role of the opposition is to hold the government accountable.

Perhaps you're just not used to actually having an opposition in this province.
That may be so. I just wished WRP defined itself by what it wants to be and what its vision for Alberta is not by how "corrupt" the governing party is. Regarding this recent hernia, another false diagnosis. It's lame and tiring. And ultimately it may be self-defeating for WRP.
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That may be so. I just wished WRP defined itself by what it wants to be and what its vision for Alberta is not by how "corrupt" the governing party is. Regarding this recent hernia, another false diagnosis. It's lame and tiring.
Pretty much exactly this. If you put out a platform and express the reasons your public policy is better for me and the province than the other guy I will vote for your party. If you view your role as opposition as descending into hysterics over minor issues, you're just annoying the crap out of me and wasting time that could be used to convince me. It's an objective analysis. I think the only override scenario for the above general rule is where the candidate I would be voting for pulls a Hunsberger and says something so contrary to my values I can't in good conscience support them.

But I recognize that a lot of people don't determine who they're voting for and absolutely buy into the soap opera, or no one would engage in it. So I don't know that it's terribly realistic to say "the political discourse should meet with my expectations and if doing so is at the expense of the votes of other people who make voting decisions on different grounds, tough luck".
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Old 11-29-2012, 02:14 PM   #110
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That may be so. I just wished WRP defined itself by what it wants to be and what its vision for Alberta is not by how "corrupt" the governing party is. Regarding this recent hernia, another false diagnosis. It's lame and tiring. And ultimately it may be self-defeating for WRP.
Perhaps. This attitude won the federal Liberals a couple elections, but turned them into a joke last time around..

But lets face it, Redford should have known better than to be anywhere near a decision that could be considered a conflict of interest. And awarding a legal contract to a firm whom her ex-husband partners and is an adviser and part of her transition team should have been obvious.

The issue here, unlike Rob Ford, isn't that she broke a bright line rule. It is more a case of she should have known to recuse herself from the decision. Perhaps highlighting this will cause Redford to actually to that next time a decision comes across her desk that could potentially greatly benefit someone she is close to.
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Old 11-29-2012, 02:17 PM   #111
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That may be so. I just wished WRP defined itself by what it wants to be and what its vision for Alberta is not by how "corrupt" the governing party is. Regarding this recent hernia, another false diagnosis. It's lame and tiring. And ultimately it may be self-defeating for WRP.
Yes, as opposed to the current governing party who won the last election on a clear and defined policy based on it's vision for Albert?.

Not because they dug up old quotes and did everything possible to villianize the WRP as cavemen sent to destroy a modern and progressive Alberta?

I mean, the hypocrisy is rather astounding, isn't it?
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Redford will be live on CBC online today at 3, presumably to address this.

http://www.cbc.ca/edmonton/

In the Leg today Vern Olson has already fallen on the sword and taken responsibility for the contract. Which yes, is true in that he handled the contract negoiations and signed the final document.

Meanwhile Brian Mason has full-out called our Premier a liar.
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I will full-out call Brian Mason an idiot and an irreverent politician.
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Old 11-29-2012, 02:29 PM   #114
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Irreverent or irrelevant?
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I would say that both likely fit the bill.
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I am quite certain that a motion designating Mason and the provincial NDP a joke would get multi-party support.
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Redford will be live on CBC online today at 3, presumably to address this.

http://www.cbc.ca/edmonton/

In the Leg today Vern Olson has already fallen on the sword and taken responsibility for the contract. Which yes, is true in that he handled the contract negoiations and signed the final document.

Meanwhile Brian Mason has full-out called our Premier a liar.

Premier Alison Redford has cancelled her 3 p.m. news conference. #yeg #cbc
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What a chicken#### our dear leader is.
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She really shouldn't have cancelled.

Most don't watch the Leg closely. The average Albertan has only seen her angry outburst from yesterday played out over and over on the news.

She really needed to come out today with a calm, well thoughtout and clear statement.
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She really shouldn't have cancelled.

Most don't watch the Leg closely. The average Albertan has only seen her angry outburst from yesterday played out over and over on the news.

She really needed to come out today with a calm, well thoughtout and clear statement.
A persons true colors shine in situations like this. Not showing or defending herself with any grace/class sums it up for me. Its safe to say that Redford has completely lost my support as a capable and trustworthy Premier.
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