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[polak]

Television hasn't adapted because they haven't found a way to make the same kind of money without revenues from advertisers.

Product placement won't cut it and a subscription service (pay for what you want) will have to be pretty freaking expensive to equal regular tv revenues.

Also the CRTC causes more pirating then Aztec gold.

[AR_Six]

Originally Posted by handgroen

intellectual property does not exist. songs, music, movies, and visual art are all in the public domain. although this undermines artists of every kind it is the unavoidable and ultimately beneficial right afforded to all of us, artist, consumer, or otherwise.

Oh sweet I didn't know we could do this.

I AM THE KING OF ENGLAND!

... did it work?

[NuclearPizzaMan]

Can't say I'm ever in favour of anything that helps the rent-seeking parasites that are major media conglomerates. Kill em all!

[Bill Bumface]

I think a lot of piracy/sharing is laziness.

I used to download a ton of music. My options were:

1. Get in car. Drive to HMV. Pay $20 for album with 2 good songs on it.
2. Log onto iTunes. Album not available in Canada
3. Oink.cd. 3 minutes later, album.

Now I never torrent music.

1. Grab phone. Type 3 letters of band name. Preview to see if more than 2 songs worth getting. Buy album. Listen without ever turning on computer.

You made it easy, so now I use it.

I would happily just watch everything off of Netflix if it was on there. I'd also pay more than $10 for it.

Make a way so I can pay per NHL game? Yes please. See you Shaw. Take your HD Treehouse and whatever other crap you make me pay for and shove it.

[Sr. Mints]

Originally Posted by bluck

I believe all that needs to be done is to have a program like NetFlix get even better. The US netflix is terrific in the sense that new televesion episodes like the Walking Dead and Damages get uploaded the next day. Plus you have access to much more content (screw you crtc) I wouldn't mind paying double the cost that I'm currently paying so $15 for better content and the ability to watch movies on there as soon as they are released on blu-ray. This would sharply cut down my torrenting.

Whaaaaat?! I'm not home, can anyone confirm?!

[sclitheroe]

Originally Posted by polak

Is recording the radio stealing?

This is actually a very debatable question in Canada, because the airwaves are public property. I'm not sure what the right answer is.

[GP_Matt]

I am torn with HBO.
I subscribe to it and am happy to as they provide great entertainment. But I hate that I have to have a cable package in order to subscribe. I also find that I often hear about a show after the first few episodes have aired and want to check it out. I have on demand but it always has a two week delay for HBO so I can wait and watch everything on a two week delay but that takes away from my enjoyment of the show. I like to read and discuss the episodes as they air and you can't do that if you are always behind. Trying to find the tape delay episodes can work but is inconvenient. In the end it is so easy to open the Bay and download the two episodes that I missed and then watch the next episode as it comes out. In my opinion I am doing nothing wrong as it is something that I have paid for but it is still not legal. If they stop me from catching up on missed episodes though I will most likely cancel my HBO subscription.

Reading this thread it sounds like almost everyone is on the same page where they have justified their actions but also have some sort of line that they don't cross.

[kirant]

Ignore. I'm an idiot.

[pylon]

I have always posed this example to content Pirates.

If you could duplicate an exact replica of a Calgary Flames ticket, that guaranteed you access to the arena for games, would you use it to print tickets for personal use? If your answer is no, then you should be against piracy, because it is the exact same thing. If you rip a counterfeit album you have no tangible "thing". If you pirate admission to a game neither do you as well. Like c'mon.... have you seen the price for those new fangly hockey tickets, they are expensive as hell. I should steal them because I am OWED the right to admission, because I like the team. Same goes for airline tickets. Damn flights overseas are pricey. I should pirate those too. Hey Jetfuel, and 777 maintenance is free right?

The only reason people are piracy apologists, is so they can justify the fact they know they are stealing someone else's product or service.

[Tinordi]

TV is a fortress of regulated natural monopolies or at least that is the history. Whatever transposes in the TV realm to go to true digital distribution will require some new disruptive content creators partnering with internet distributors and that that system needs to be highly popular. In other words, unlikely.

The regulatory system for TV has been completely captured by the industry so don't expect much.

As such, online pirating will continue unabated. It's a natural response to an industry that is dead set against actually providing what the customer wants. No sympathy.

[Locke]

Sorted.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

The problem with this example, is the Teddy bear is likely stolen in the first place.

If someone gives you a free car, that they stole, it doesn't make you Robin Hood.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Itse

That is such a confused stand on things.

First of all, you are confusing legality and justification. You also have no right to be gay and live in various countries. You can go to jail for smoking pot in many countries. The first example is a clear example that laws are not always moral. The second is an example that even laws which mean to do good can end up being pointless and harmful.

There is clear justification for both laws to be changed, as it is with the piracy laws.

Second of all, you are (somewhat indirectly) making an erranous legal statement, because the law does not say that piracy is theft.

Saying piracy is theft and illegal is like saying fraud is theft. It's just not the same thing.

Both things are illegal, but they are different crimes.

Different crimes, different issues.

So you are free to argue that piracy should be a crime if you like, but to claim that it's theft is just BS.

Since when did it become okay to commit any form of crime?

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by pylon

I have always posed this example to content Pirates.

If you could duplicate an exact replica of a Calgary Flames ticket, that guaranteed you access to the arena for games, would you use it to print tickets for personal use? If your answer is no, then you should be against piracy, because it is the exact same thing. If you rip a counterfeit album you have no tangible "thing". If you pirate admission to a game neither do you as well. Like c'mon.... have you seen the price for those new fangly hockey tickets, they are expensive as hell. I should steal them because I am OWED the right to admission, because I like the team. Same goes for airline tickets. Damn flights overseas are pricey. I should pirate those too. Hey Jetfuel, and 777 maintenance is free right?

The only reason people are piracy apologists, is so they can justify the fact they know they are stealing someone else's product or service.

What if the Airline charged you 5x the price and gave you 10 different tickets to destinations you didn't care about and weren't allowed to resell?

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by hulkrogan

I think a lot of piracy/sharing is laziness.

I used to download a ton of music. My options were:

1. Get in car. Drive to HMV. Pay $20 for album with 2 good songs on it.
2. Log onto iTunes. Album not available in Canada
3. Oink.cd. 3 minutes later, album.

Now I never torrent music.

1. Grab phone. Type 3 letters of band name. Preview to see if more than 2 songs worth getting. Buy album. Listen without ever turning on computer.

You made it easy, so now I use it.

I would happily just watch everything off of Netflix if it was on there. I'd also pay more than $10 for it.

Make a way so I can pay per NHL game? Yes please. See you Shaw. Take your HD Treehouse and whatever other crap you make me pay for and shove it.

Now with services like Rdio and Netflix, not to mention Shaw VOD or itunes, there isn't really a reason to pirate. In the old days if you wanted to rent a DVD and blockbuster was all out, you had no other options not to mention having to drag your ass out in the cold. It was just easier to use a newsgroup. Now, legal means have made it so easy.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

What if the Airline charged you 5x the price and gave you 10 different tickets to destinations you didn't care about and weren't allowed to resell?

Don't fly with that airline. Consumption of media isn't a right.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Since when did it become okay to commit crime?

Do you believe all laws are just? Including those that are financed by corporate lobbyists and private interests?

[Barnes]

Originally Posted by pylon

The problem with this example, is the Teddy bear is likely stolen in the first place.

If someone gives you a free car, that they stole, it doesn't make you Robin Hood.

Why? 'Cause she's black?

[pylon]

Originally Posted by Barnes

Why? 'Cause she's black?

It is not often I actually laugh out loud.... but that sir, was funny.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

What if the Airline charged you 5x the price and gave you 10 different tickets to destinations you didn't care about and weren't allowed to resell?

I can see the logic behind your point, I still don't agree.

Now address the hockey ticket example please.