Trudeau: “Canada isn’t doing well right now because it’s Albertans who control...

[Jets4Life]

Hopefully Justin Trudeau never becomes PM of Canada. It's obvious that he has nothing but contempt for the West. Then again, he is far from alone.

I don't really understand it myself, as I love Alberta (then again I was born in the prairies, so it was not much of a stretch to adjust to life here). I've worked with quite a few people from Eastern Canada, that seem to resent having to come here to make money.

In fairness, most people that migrate here from Quebec, Ontario, and the Atlantic provinces don't seem to mind it, but I have worked with a number of people who more or less want to make as much cash as possible, and move back east when the first opportunity presents itself.

Trudeau seems to want to appeal to the people in Eastern Canada, who are resentful that the the balance of power in this country is slowly shifting westward. I don;t think he has the ability to be a strong leader for our country.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Why spot the other teams 90 some seats before the game even begins? Doesn't make sense.

Nope, that wasn't the game plan. His game plan was to come out here to show there's a new sheriff in town and he's looking for some new western deputies.

Unfortunately one of his skeletons fell out of the closet while he was schmoozing up us rednecks.

He's not spoting them 90 seats. Not even close. BC is not even on the same wavelength politcally as Alberta. The Liberals can be anti-Alberta and still win many seats in BC. Consider the debacle that is Christie Clark and the CPC might have a tough time in 2015 getting any traction. If you want to give them all of Saskatchewan and Alberta's seats thats 50 or so. And when you look at last nights election results, do the Liberals really believe they can even win a single seat in Alberta? Maybe in Edmonton, but certainly not here or anywhere else.

Basically Alberta still is more or less not important to Liberal election hopes. They have enough potential seats in Ontario and Quebec alone to have a minority government and even potentially a majority. If they can pick off enough seats from Atlantic Canada and BC, they realistically can thump the CPC without any support from Alberta or Saskatchewan.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

He's not spoting them 90 seats. Not even close. BC is not even on the same wavelength politcally as Alberta. The Liberals can be anti-Alberta and still win many seats in BC. Consider the debacle that is Christie Clark and the CPC might have a tough time in 2015 getting any traction. If you want to give them all of Saskatchewan and Alberta's seats thats 50 or so. And when you look at last nights election results, do the Liberals really believe they can even win a single seat in Alberta? Maybe in Edmonton, but certainly not here or anywhere else.

Basically Alberta still is more or less not important to Liberal election hopes. They have enough potential seats in Ontario and Quebec alone to have a minority government and even potentially a majority. If they can pick off enough seats from Atlantic Canada and BC, they realistically can thump the CPC without any support from Alberta or Saskatchewan.

You do realize you are talking about a party, which has 35 seats, and just proven in 3 by-elections that it couldn't win a seat in a situation that is a common one for protest votes, right?

I think talk about the Liberal party thumping anyone should be reserved until there is some actual indications that they will still be considered an official party after the next election.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Tiger

your right that Trudeau doesn't have a chance in the West. His only chance is to win the East. So is he an idiot for making the comments or is it the right thing to do in his situation?

It's not the right thing to do for any politician make divisive comments (unless it's the foundation of the party such as Parti Quebecois) as unity should always be front and center. However it does probably help his cause in Ontario and especially Quebec as many there see Alberta as evil, greedy, polluting, cancers.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Rathji

You do realize you are talking about a party, which has 35 seats, and just proven in 3 by-elections that it couldn't win a seat in a situation that is a common one for protest votes, right?

I think talk about the Liberal party thumping anyone should be reserved until there is some actual indications that they will still be considered an official party after the next election.

Obviously I was talking in semantics. Realistically, the Liberals do not need Alberta to win an election nationally. Of course at present they wouldn't win anything, but at present the NDP is a legitimate threat to beat the CPC in an election if held today, and I'm guessing most people here don't think that will hold either . 2015 is still a long ways away, but just from a numbers point of view, the Liberals can win 0 seats in Alberta every election and still be the majority party. Conversely I don't think I could say the same for the CPC. They need the seats of Alberta and Saskatchewan to have any chance of competeting nationally.

[Kavvy]

This thread officially has the most replies of any previous one started by me..... and it is on a hockey forum...

[moon]

Originally Posted by Tiger

your right that Trudeau doesn't have a chance in the West. His only chance is to win the East. So is he an idiot for making the comments or is it the right thing to do in his situation?

I am not sure how many new voters this would bring to the Liberals.

I can't imagine that many undecideds in Ontario would hear this and say "ya screw those westerners." I think most of those people already have their mind made up and in Quebec they likely already support the Bloc.

[AR_Six]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Obviously I was talking in semantics. Realistically, the Liberals do not need Alberta to win an election nationally. Of course at present they wouldn't win anything, but at present the NDP is a legitimate threat to beat the CPC in an election if held today.

Jesus tittyeffing Christ, do you ever give the unmitigated crazy a rest?

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by AR_Six

Jesus tittyeffing Christ, do you ever give the unmitigated crazy a rest?

From November 20th

https://www.forumresearch.com/forms/...0121120%29.pdf

CPC 33%
NDP 28%
LIB 28%

Within the margin of error....so if thats your idea of crazy, you must have thought Mitt Romney beating Obama was the craziest #### in recent history.

And if Trudeau is the Liberal nominee

LIB 39%
CPC 30%
NDP 23%

So now I see why all these CPC supporters are so petrified of Trudeau. He's done nothing, literally nothing, and would win them a comfortable minority. Who cares if he gets 0% support here? They'll still win easily. What this poll should confirm to you and all CPC supporters is a majority is more or less out of the question again in 2015. Its all about whether they can hang on to a minority.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

From November 20th

https://www.forumresearch.com/forms/...0121120%29.pdf

CPC 33%
NDP 28%
LIB 28%

Within the margin of error....so if thats your idea of crazy, you must have thought Mitt Romney beating Obama was the craziest #### in recent history.

And if Trudeau is the Liberal nominee

LIB 39%
CPC 30%
NDP 23%

So now I see why all these CPC supporters are so petrified of Trudeau. He's done nothing, literally nothing, and would win them a comfortable minority. Who cares if he gets 0% support here? They'll still win easily. What this poll should confirm to you and all CPC supporters is a majority is more or less out of the question again in 2015. Its all about whether they can hang on to a minority.

A strong NDP and a strong Liberal party is a vote splitting guarantee of another CPC majority. One of them has to shank the other into irrelevance (like the pre-jack NDP) to take power, imo.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

He's not spoting them 90 seats. Not even close. BC is not even on the same wavelength politcally as Alberta. The Liberals can be anti-Alberta and still win many seats in BC. Consider the debacle that is Christie Clark and the CPC might have a tough time in 2015 getting any traction. If you want to give them all of Saskatchewan and Alberta's seats thats 50 or so. And when you look at last nights election results, do the Liberals really believe they can even win a single seat in Alberta? Maybe in Edmonton, but certainly not here or anywhere else.

Basically Alberta still is more or less not important to Liberal election hopes. They have enough potential seats in Ontario and Quebec alone to have a minority government and even potentially a majority. If they can pick off enough seats from Atlantic Canada and BC, they realistically can thump the CPC without any support from Alberta or Saskatchewan.

Aside from all the other ridiculous things you just said, you do realize that the Conservative Party of Canada holds 75% of the seats in BC? If that isn't being on the same political wavelength as Alberta, I'm at a loss to understand what is.


P.S. The Liberals currently hold 7% (2 out of 28) seats in BC so I don't know what you're smoking but I'd like some.

[AR_Six]

To be fair the Libs do have a ceiling of about 10 seats in BC where their ceiling in Alberta is maybe 1, if you're being generous to them.

Still crazy to think the NDP could, in any world, form a government if someone called an election tomorrow. Funny he brings up Mitt Romney because his basis for that assertion is roughly equivalent to calling the US election a coin toss because Mitt was within the margin of error in polls leading up to the election in terms of national popular vote.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by AR_Six

To be fair the Libs do have a ceiling of about 10 seats in BC where their ceiling in Alberta is maybe 1, if you're being generous to them.

Still crazy to think the NDP could, in any world, form a government if someone called an election tomorrow. Funny he brings up Mitt Romney because his basis for that assertion is roughly equivalent to calling the US election a coin toss because Mitt was within the margin of error in polls leading up to the election in terms of national popular vote.

But as evidence from the polling, its not so insane. This obviously has more to do with the poor state of the Liberals, as once the poll asks with Trudeau as nominee, NDP support slips into the low 20's. Obviously their support is somewhat aritificially inflated by the soft Liberal supporters they have. But right now, they could do it, crazy or not.

And thats why there's a margin of error. Error happens in polling (sampling size too low, not broad enough etc..). Like a certain provincial election that may have just taken place in April...

[mykalberta]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

...Consider the debacle that is Christie Clark and the CPC might have a tough time in 2015 getting any traction. ...

How is a soon to be ousted leader of the Liberal party in BC going to make it any more or less tough for the CPC? I must be missing something.

The pipeline is the only "new" challenge to the CPC. She has been very vocal against it but seeing as its unlikely given current polling in BC that she would be the next BC premier I dont see how its a bad thing. If anything a Liberal Premier for BC is better than an NDP Premier for BC from the CPC perspective.

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

How is a soon to be ousted leader of the Liberal party in BC going to make it any more or less tough for the CPC? I must be missing something.

The pipeline is the only "new" challenge to the CPC. She has been very vocal against it but seeing as its unlikely given current polling in BC that she would be the next BC premier I dont see how its a bad thing. If anything a Liberal Premier for BC is better than an NDP Premier for BC from the CPC perspective.

Aren't BC voters still pissed from the last time they voted in an NDP government and Premier? That whole botched ferry development/build program amongst a few other things caused BC voters to run that government out of office in fairly short order.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Since BC is backwards about some things, politics is no different. The "Liberal" party in BC is actually the Conservative Party. Strange I know, but Christy Clark is a very strong Stephen Harper supporter. She's been such a mess for them that by association, it will hurt their chances in 2015. The pipeline stuff, well thats her being desperate for any political points. Clearly she can be bought off for the pipeline, another red mark against her.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

From November 20th

https://www.forumresearch.com/forms/...0121120%29.pdf

CPC 33%
NDP 28%
LIB 28%

Within the margin of error....so if thats your idea of crazy, you must have thought Mitt Romney beating Obama was the craziest #### in recent history.

And if Trudeau is the Liberal nominee

LIB 39%
CPC 30%
NDP 23%

So now I see why all these CPC supporters are so petrified of Trudeau. He's done nothing, literally nothing, and would win them a comfortable minority. Who cares if he gets 0% support here? They'll still win easily. What this poll should confirm to you and all CPC supporters is a majority is more or less out of the question again in 2015. Its all about whether they can hang on to a minority.

I would take those polls with a grain of salt, political parties always get bumps when they get new leaders or a major shift. They mean nothing.

Even during an election fight they mean pretty much nothing.

The NDP got a major bump after Layton kicked off, then got another bump into forming government territory when Mulcair took over and their sliding back.

Its a honey moon period.

During an election campaign when Justin is run through the grinder those numbers will probably slide back.

BTW more stupid statements by Justin are popping up, including another one from 2009 where he states that Quebecers are superior to the rest of Canadians.

He's making this pretty easy, the smart Liberal's are going to start looking at Trudeau as tainted meet and hopefully flood to better candidate.

Personally if I was a liberal, I don't know how there's any way that I wouldn't support Marc Garneau who is experienced, accomplished, can be someone that can be looked up to and doesn't have hoof in mouth disease.

Even Martha Findley (sp?) while what I consider to be a weaker candidate is probably a better candidate to lead the Libs.

The one thing that is a benefit for Trudeau is the vote splitting that's bound to happen again at the leadership convention, the same vote splitting that allowed Dion to disasterously become the Liberal leader.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Since BC is backwards about some things, politics is no different. The "Liberal" party in BC is actually the Conservative Party. Strange I know, but Christy Clark is a very strong Stephen Harper supporter. She's been such a mess for them that by association, it will hurt their chances in 2015. The pipeline stuff, well thats her being desperate for any political points. Clearly she can be bought off for the pipeline, another red mark against her.

The BC Liberal Party is really the BC Conservative Party? Very Confusing.
Does that mean that the Alberta Progressive Conservative party is actually the Alberta Liberal party?

[MarchHare]

The BC Liberal Party is really the BC Conservative Party? Very Confusing.

Sort of.

There is no Conservative Party (Progressive or otherwise) in BC. The BC Liberals are that province's right-wing (small-c conservative) party.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Rerun

The BC Liberal Party is really the BC Conservative Party? Very Confusing.
Does that mean that the Alberta Progressive Conservative party is actually the Alberta Liberal party?

For shame Rerun. You had a chance to label the Alberta PCs as the Alberta NDP and didn't. Tsk tsk.