100th Grey Cup: Calgary Stampeders vs. Toronto Argonauts

[Bertuzzied]

Can't blame him at all tonite, but check out this stat.

Nik Lewis: ZERO Career TD receptions in the post season!

[browna]

Can second guess a few things, but with the dink and dunk style that Ray plays, which allows Kackert to get the touches he does, I wonder if Mayo would've been better than Simpson. Mayo handled Andrew Harris last week, and Simpson was brutally out of position and not making good reads or good plays to contain or spy on Kackert.

Rusty or still hurt or whatever, he struggled, when,against any Ray lead team, the inside linebacker is the most important position to read and react and execute to ruin up Ray's preferred style of passing.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Fire

Props for Glenn for his great game against B.C but he was terrible tonight. Last game as a Stampeder most likely. This will be the Tate and Mitchell show for the next few seasons.

Hope so. Supporting cast made Glenn look good this year but we would probably be better off with BLM anyway, and he's just a youngen so he will only get better. I wonder if they will get another washed up old turd like Glenn as an insurance policy because of Tate's uncertain health, or is Glenn signed for more than this year?

[I_H8_Crawford]

Originally Posted by browna

Can second guess a few things, but with the dink and dunk style that Ray plays, which allows Kackert to get the touches he does, I wonder if Mayo would've been better than Simpson. Mayo handled Andrew Harris last week, and Simpson was brutally out of position and not making good reads or good plays to contain or spy on Kackert.

Rusty or still hurt or whatever, he struggled, when,against any Ray lead team, the inside linebacker is the most important position to read and react and execute to ruin up Ray's preferred style of passing.

I agree and mentioned it to the people I was watching the game with as well during the 2nd Q.

I think Mayo's athleticism would have been useful to have.

But in the end, I don't think that was the difference - the Stamps were flat out dominated on the LOS, Cornish was a non-factor, and Glenn played like garbage.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Redrum

Hope so. Supporting cast made Glenn look good this year but we would probably be better off with BLM anyway, and he's just a youngen so he will only get better. I wonder if they will get another washed up old turd like Glenn as an insurance policy because of Tate's uncertain health, or is Glenn signed for more than this year?

I think Glenn is signed for one more year.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by browna

Can second guess a few things, but with the dink and dunk style that Ray plays, which allows Kackert to get the touches he does, I wonder if Mayo would've been better than Simpson. Mayo handled Andrew Harris last week, and Simpson was brutally out of position and not making good reads or good plays to contain or spy on Kackert.

Rusty or still hurt or whatever, he struggled, when,against any Ray lead team, the inside linebacker is the most important position to read and react and execute to ruin up Ray's preferred style of passing.

Wouldn't have mattered with our offence and that terrible play calling.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by moon

I think Glenn is signed for one more year.

Yep. I expect he may be shopped around as the Eskimos or Bombers may be interested in a veteran QB to play the same role he played for the Stampeders this year. Don't see the point in bringing him back considering BLM will need more opportunity next season.

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by Redrum

Kind of embarrassed and pi**ed off at the CFL right now. Yes the Stamps shat the bed but whenever they got a spark the imaginary flag was always there to save the day. Not that I didn't expect it, I mean it's the CFL and Toronto. But here I am propping the CFL to my American friends and relatives saying it's a pretty good league then they embarrass me with this bush league sh**.

you think there is something to the fact that toronto is the most penalized team in the league, yet didnt get a flag all the 1st half? yeah the reffing was always going to be pro toronto, we all knew that, but at least the stamps didnt lose because of a timely bad call, they were clearly outclassed.... i would prefer that to a phantom PI call down the stretch in a close game....

[tvp2003]

I wonder how much Glenn is making this year? He restructured his deal on the basis that he was going to be a backup; I think it would be prudent to keep him as a number 3 in case Tate goes down again, but we'll need to get BLM so reps to see what we have in advance of the Ottawa expansion draft. If Tate can't stay healthy and BLM plays well, it will make for an interesting decision next year...

[OzSome]

Blame it on the referee or not but in reality Toronto always brings the worst of Stampeders every time they play them. In the last 6 games Stamps pretty much stayed away from turnovers, questionable coaching and dumb penalties but on Grey Cup, every single things they avoided seems to appear. Our O-Line did not give a rattled QB Kevin Glenn lots of times in the pocket. Glenn who were all over the place last game against BC was sitting duck and throwing dead balls most of the game. The killer I think was the INT for TD in the first half because after that we couldn't recover. Penalty in the first half by Bolden gave Ricky Ray another chance to throw a TD, which he did so instead of giving Toronto a 3 points or none at all, they had a do-over and buried us with a TD. We were pretty much done in the first half and to top it off, we've seen some questionable calls by the Huf and DD. We had a chance to score a TD in a few different occasions but only settled for field goal instead because of those questionable calls. It feels like the Stamps just buckled from pressures.
Defense was not good and Simpson and the rest of the LB couldn't contain Chad Kackert. I don't even think i heard Anwar Stewart's name all night. Charleston Hughes was the pretty much the only one showed up for DLine. Surprising to say safety Eric Fraser was probably the best secondary all night. Ricky Ray have all the time in the world to pick his nose and look for receivers.
With offense and defense not playing well, i couldn't say the same thing as our special team. Larry Taylor showed up and made some plays. He even scored a TD but the dumb penalty killed it. Punter Rob Maver did a heck of a good job all night and Paredes delivered whenever needed.
Turnover, 2 big ones in the first half. Fumble on Glenn to Cornish handout, Glenn throwing INT for TD killed the Stamps in the first half and they couldn't recover. Penalties: Bolden in the 1st half giving Tor another chance. Keon Raymond holding penalty on Larry Taylor's return TD. Derrius Brooks dumb roughing penalty on the punt return after Stamps already have a 15-yard no yard penalty on the same play.
Like I said Toronto just bring the worst out of Stampeders. Not claiming Toronto did not deserves to win because they did. Their defense stopped Cornish all night and with the running game not working so as the passing game. Congrats Argos!!

[jammies]

Stamps offence had two issues: Glenn was laying up lame ducks half the time, and the play calling was atrocious. Cornish didn't get anywhere, but didn't he say that if he wasn't able to run because they were scheming for him, that the Stamps would just pass it and succeed that way? Maybe Dickenson should have paid attention - I don' t know how many times they tried to run it up the gut and failed, yet in the 4th quarter, down by a couple touchdowns, there they were trying it again.
Toronto was vulnerable to guys out on the edges taking short passes and running with it, as we saw with the pass to Taylor that got Calgary their 1st field goal (of way too many). It looked like the middle was open a lot as well, but I don't think they even tried that money quick slant to Price more than once.

I seriously thought Glenn had hurt his finger when he threw up those two horrible passes in a row that ended with the 2nd one being intercepted and taken back for a touchdown. He had no zip on his short throws, and the long ones only worked when we got the iffy pass interference call, as otherwise he was in danger of being picked on every single one. I don't know why they left him in much past the early 3rd quarter, as the guy clearly had nothing and was dancing around all the time like he had an uncontrollable urge to urinate.

I'm mostly disappointed that they were outclassed by an Argo team that was near to missing the playoffs in a terrible Eastern division. The defence played well enough, considering Ricky Ray (despite what moon says, quelle surprise) is still elite. The offence, however - save Taylor - was a joke.

[normtwofinger]

I'm still baffled as to why DD & Glenn chose a run play on 2nd and long. They tried to run the ball way too much, and it failed 9/10 times.

[SuperMatt18]

They seemed to have two play calls: run and take a shot down field. They really didn't vary the offense at all and it made it very easy for Toronto to defend.

[moon]

Originally Posted by jammies

IThe defence played well enough, considering Ricky Ray (despite what moon says, quelle surprise) is still elite.

I actually said that Ray was one of the better QB's in the league earlier in the thread.

I wouldn't say elite because I don't think any of the QB's this year played at an elite level but he is probably the 3rd/4th best QB in the league behind Lulay, Burris and tied with Calvillo.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by jammies

Stamps offence had two issues: Glenn was laying up lame ducks half the time, and the play calling was atrocious. Cornish didn't get anywhere, but didn't he say that if he wasn't able to run because they were scheming for him, that the Stamps would just pass it and succeed that way? Maybe Dickenson should have paid attention - I don' t know how many times they tried to run it up the gut and failed, yet in the 4th quarter, down by a couple touchdowns, there they were trying it again.
Toronto was vulnerable to guys out on the edges taking short passes and running with it, as we saw with the pass to Taylor that got Calgary their 1st field goal (of way too many). It looked like the middle was open a lot as well, but I don't think they even tried that money quick slant to Price more than once.

I seriously thought Glenn had hurt his finger when he threw up those two horrible passes in a row that ended with the 2nd one being intercepted and taken back for a touchdown. He had no zip on his short throws, and the long ones only worked when we got the iffy pass interference call, as otherwise he was in danger of being picked on every single one. I don't know why they left him in much past the early 3rd quarter, as the guy clearly had nothing and was dancing around all the time like he had an uncontrollable urge to urinate.

I'm mostly disappointed that they were outclassed by an Argo team that was near to missing the playoffs in a terrible Eastern division. The defence played well enough, considering Ricky Ray (despite what moon says, quelle surprise) is still elite. The offence, however - save Taylor - was a joke.

Ridiculous to think Glenn could keep up what he did against BC. Sure it's great to stretch the defence by going long but you have to see who you have at QB back there. It wasn't Tate, it wasn't Mitchell, it was effing Glenn.

He was lucky he didn't have 5 interceptions. The argos simply wanted to keep the game close by dropping easy catches.

So what happens when you have a lame ass QB at the helm? you do what ricky ray did and you throw short to your running back. WE DID THAT ZERO times! mind bottling that Dickenson is even in discussions to become a head coach of a football team.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

mind bottling that Dickenson is even in discussions to become a head coach of a football team.

I usually like Dickenson's play calling, but I was extremely disappointed yesterday. If there were any adjustments made in the 2nd half on offence, I didn't see them, and that's inexcusable in any game, never mind the Cup. I never liked Chris Jones' over-complicated defence when he was here, and I really wanted to see him get schooled, but instead he looked like a genius.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by moon

I actually said that Ray was one of the better QB's in the league earlier in the thread.

I wouldn't say elite because I don't think any of the QB's this year played at an elite level but he is probably the 3rd/4th best QB in the league behind Lulay, Burris and tied with Calvillo.

Maybe Lulay will be better, because he's still young, but that's Ray's 3rd Grey Cup, tied with Calvillo, and Burris has merely 1. Further, Ray doesn't make the mental mistakes that Burris does, and he has a better arm than Calvillo who is otherwise the same kind of QB with the same skills.

What exactly is wrong with Ricky Ray other than that he's not that mobile? He completes a very high percentage of his passes, doesn't throw many interceptions, can huck the ball deep if he wants to, can control the clock if he needs to, and takes mediocre teams to championships. That is hardly the mark of the 3rd or 4th best QB in the CFL.

[STeeLy]

This isn't the first time I wondered why they kept running the ball when Cornish kept getting stuffed near the line of scrimmage.

I think this exact same thing happened one game against BC. Cornish was getting nowhere, yet Dickenson/Glenn refused to go to the air and jus tkept trying the run game that clearly was not working.

Absolutely terrible play calling by DD.

[M*A*S*H 4077]

Originally Posted by jammies

Maybe Lulay will be better, because he's still young, but that's Ray's 3rd Grey Cup, tied with Calvillo, and Burris has merely 1. Further, Ray doesn't make the mental mistakes that Burris does, and he has a better arm than Calvillo who is otherwise the same kind of QB with the same skills.

What exactly is wrong with Ricky Ray other than that he's not that mobile? He completes a very high percentage of his passes, doesn't throw many interceptions, can huck the ball deep if he wants to, can control the clock if he needs to, and takes mediocre teams to championships. That is hardly the mark of the 3rd or 4th best QB in the CFL.

Great post.

I also think Ray's mobility in the pocket is underrated. How many Stamps did he make miss last night? He's not a runner but has a great feel for pressure

[moon]

Originally Posted by jammies

Maybe Lulay will be better, because he's still young, but that's Ray's 3rd Grey Cup, tied with Calvillo, and Burris has merely 1. Further, Ray doesn't make the mental mistakes that Burris does, and he has a better arm than Calvillo who is otherwise the same kind of QB with the same skills.

Ray may have had a better career than Lulay so far but right now Lulay is a much better QB. I guess Ray is lucky that he didn't have that idiot Mccallum missing 18 yard FG's or the league screwing him out of two trips to the finals or it may be him with 2 GC rings not one like Burris. And again Burris had a better year this year than Ray.

What exactly is wrong with Ricky Ray other than that he's not that mobile? He completes a very high percentage of his passes, doesn't throw many interceptions, can huck the ball deep if he wants to, can control the clock if he needs to, and takes mediocre teams to championships. That is hardly the mark of the 3rd or 4th best QB in the CFL.

What is wrong with Ray? Not a whole lot. He seems to love the dink and dunk passes which have held back his teams in the past and was lucky that it didn't hurt him yesterday. I would say the league and the play-off set up takes mediocre teams to the GC more than him.

As for 3rd/4th in the league that is for right now so his previous GC wins don't do much for that argument. As for all time considering QBs in the league he would be 2nd/3rd behind Calvillo and tied with Burris.