Calgary Centre Federal By-election - Nov 26 (UPDATE - Crockatt wins for CPC)

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Rathji

You are 100% right that those poll results likely gave the PC party a larger majority than they deserved, because a rather large number of people in the province decided to vote strategically, to avoid the potential issues of electing the type of party that had these candidates.

Disagree. It wasn't larger than deserved because of strategic voting, it's larger than deserved because of single-representative districts. But within each district, strategic voting helped produce a more representative outcome. And to be honest, there's not much difference between polls showing the Wildrose ahead and polls showing the Wildrose behind. It's the top two spots that matter, because the top two are the viable strategic choices.

[edslunch]

Anyone interested in a CP straw poll? Ideally who would you vote for and do you live in Calgary centre

[Jacks]

I used to live in the riding for about 8 years. I'd vote Crokpot for 3 reasons.

1) To see Justin cry.
2) She promised to do what Harper tells her.
3) To watch the meltdown here as people add up the vote of every other party and claim that they all voted against the Cons.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Jacks

I used to live in the riding for about 8 years. I'd vote Crokpot for 3 reasons.

1) To see Justin cry.
2) She promised to do what Harper tells her.
3) To watch the meltdown here as people add up the vote of every other party and claim that they all voted against the Cons.

In other words:

1) Troll
2) Obedience to Dear Leader!
3) Troll

I hope you're proud.

[4X4]

I'm not sure this post will add much to the thread, but yesterday, one of Turner's people knocked on my door. I immediately told him that Turner has my vote, and that I wasn't interested on being on his list.
Turner gets my vote because his guy was the first one that initiated any contact with me, and I'm not interested in being on the list because henceforth, my vote will be up for grabs in every election.

Being the first one to knock on my door will not necessarily get future candidates my vote, but because I'm guilty of voting Conservative by default, and I always thought it was irresponsible of Ontarians to vote Liberal and Quebecers to vote Bloc by default, I should probably deviate from my constant, unwavering support of the Conservatives.

So this is not so much a protest vote against the Conservatives, but more of a shake it up vote. I figure that if all parties had to actually work in all ridings, there might be more accountability. And since Quebec and Ontario made the first move towards actually punishing their default parties, I want to reciprocate.

Also, I think it would be really funny if a Green won a seat in "The Heart of the New West".

[SebC]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Turner gets my vote because his guy was the first one that initiated any contact with me [...]

Also, I think it would be really funny if a Green won a seat in "The Heart of the New West".

Thanks for validating Joan's "knock on doors instead of attending forums" strategy, jerk!

And you know what would be even funnier? Electing a Liberal.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by SebC

Thanks for validating Joan's "knock on doors instead of attending forums" strategy, jerk!

And you know what would be even funnier? Electing a Liberal.

It would be funny, if the Liberals weren't in such a pathetic state. Not that the Greens are any better, but in this particular situation, I think sending this Turner fellow to Ottawa would be more of a statement.

I never thought I'd say this, but I hope that the Liberals get their sh*t together and resume the battle. There's no way I could vote NDP or Green if I thought that actual power was on the line. At least the Liberals are near where I stand.

I don't know if I'm the one that's changing, or if it's the CPC, but they're not the one stop party for me anymore. I want options, dammit. And I think the only way I'm going to get them, is to piss in the House of Commons lemonade.

[edslunch]

I'm so confused..... I put a Green sign on my lawn but now am leaning Liberal. My wife just put a Liberal sign on the lawn but now is thinking Green....

Not as bad as our neighbours who have Green and Conservative - someone's not getting any in that house

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by SebC

In other words:

1) Troll
2) Obedience to Dear Leader!
3) Troll

I hope you're proud.

I am thanks, what crawled up your arse?

[jtfrogger]

Although 1CC did not specifically endorse a candidate, if you only read that site, it would seem that Turner is the suggested strategic vote.

If you only look at the recent polls, it shows that Locke is in the lead and should be the suggested strategic vote. Locke has been in the lead the entire campaign. Turner had great momentum, but it has stalled and may have even regressed. I think one thing that is very interesting of the last poll is that very high number of undecided. I am wondering if they captured more people that were leaning towards Turner as undecided as compared to the previous polls that had fewer people undecided. This is just a minor theory. Either way, it sure does not look good for Turner.

So, in an effort to unite the progressive vote, I think 1CC might actually be splitting the strategic voters.

Although my preference would be to have Locke over Crockatt, I am still planning on voting for Turner. If I hated the conservatives more or liked Locke a bit more I would consider voting strategically for Locke. But that is not the case. I still think Turner is by far the best candidate. I don't think Crockatt will do any damage and will just sit quietly in the back benches. If elected, we may not even see her name mentioned in the newspapers anytime between this by-election and the next federal election.

[Roughneck]

Turner may be the best candidate, but he's not going to win. Any vote for Turner is a benefit for Crockatt.

Unfortunately having the Libs and Greens combined having the most votes but the CPC winning the seat as a result won't send as good a message as a Locke win. I do like Turner a lot but the sad realities of our voting system mean I can't vote for him if I want a message to get through.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Jacks

I am thanks, what crawled up your arse?

If you arent a liberal supporter you get called names and cant possibly be of clear mind....quite simple actually.

I live in the riding and am voting Crockett, not because i think she is the strongest candidate (cause she isnt) but because there is no way i can vote for anyone associated with a party leader (in waiting)that has complete and utter disdain for me and where i live and blames the entire country's woes on me and my provincial brethern, and because voting Green might as well mean setting my ballot on fire.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I live in the riding and am voting Crockett, not because i think she is the strongest candidate (cause she isnt) but because there is no way i can vote for anyone associated with a party leader (in waiting)that has complete and utter disdain for me and where i live and blames the entire country's woes on me and my provincial brethern, and because voting Green might as well mean setting my ballot on fire.

This is how I usually feel during the general elections, but for this one it is all about the riding. The benefit is that the result will have no impact on the politics of the HoC, but it will change the attitude of the CPC towards Calgary-Centre and Calgary in general. I don't see it as voting for the Liberals, but voting against the CPC since they need a kick in the ass.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by transplant99

If you arent a liberal supporter you get called names and cant possibly be of clear mind....quite simple actually.

It must be so difficult living as a conservative pariah in Alberta. Yeesh.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I live in the riding and am voting Crockett, not because i think she is the strongest candidate (cause she isnt) but because there is no way i can vote for anyone associated with a party leader (in waiting)that has complete and utter disdain for me and where i live and blames the entire country's woes on me and my provincial brethern

One party might have disdain for you, but the party in power has complete ambivalence and takes you for granted. I'm not sure which is worse.

Chances are that if a Liberal (or Green or NDP) gets voted in Calgary of all places, both of them will start listening a little more....for selfish reasons of course, but they might start listening.

Vote Crockatt in, and both will continue to ignore you.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Table 5

One party might have disdain for you, but the party in power has complete ambivalence and takes you for granted. I'm not sure which is worse.

Chances are that if a Liberal (or Green or NDP) gets voted in Calgary of all places, both of them will start listening a little more....for selfish reasons of course, but they might start listening.

Vote Crockatt in, and both will continue to ignore you.

I think voting NDP or Green signals to the Liberals that should ingore us. It could easily be interpreted as us being so anti-Liberal that we're voting for someone even further from the Albertan mainstream out of spite. Such an interpretation may not be entirely correct (because I think Turner is a very good candidate) but it could the perception anyways.

So the way I see it is this:

If you want the Conservatives and the Liberals to pay attention, vote Liberal.
If you want the Conservatives to pay attention, vote Green.
If you want nobody to pay attention, vote Conservative.
(If you want to throw your vote away, vote NDP.)

Then consider that voting Green also looks to be throwing your vote away, and throwing your vote away is equivalent to voting Conservative.

[kremb]

Originally Posted by jtfrogger

Although 1CC did not specifically endorse a candidate, if you only read that site, it would seem that Turner is the suggested strategic vote.

I think we can Higgins this Neocon!

Turner up the middle like Nenshi.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Makarov

It must be so difficult living as a conservative pariah in Alberta. Yeesh.

Who said anything even remotely close to this?

Yeesh is right...but i give you credit...following the Liberal playbook to a T....deflect deflect deflect.

[pepper24]

I am voting Liberal. Usually would vote PC but Liberal is the best option. Skipping debates, stating she'll do whatever Harper says isn't what I want for my riding. Also, sick of Anders and Kenney.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Who said anything even remotely close to this?

If you arent a liberal supporter you get called names and cant possibly be of clear mind...

How else is this supposed to be interpreted other than 'conservatives get picked on by liberals'?

Yeesh is right...but i give you credit...following the Liberal playbook to a T....deflect deflect deflect

What's being deflected?