Trudeau: “Canada isn’t doing well right now because it’s Albertans who control...

[Erick Estrada]

How could anyone vote for a guy that grows his facial hair like that? Kind of screams; "I'm an elitist, pompus D-bag".

[kirant]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

The people showing the outrage are the same people who wouldn't vote for the Liberals even if they:

• Balanced the budget
• Provided a surplus
• Cut taxes for everyone
• Cured cancer
• Cured AIDS
• Ended famine
• Resurrected Jesus

Disagree wholeheartedly.

I don't associate myself with parties and would vote if any the above happened (except cutting taxes for all, if it had no positive effect on the economy), but am pretty concerned with these comments, especially from what is likely going to be the next Liberal leader. These aren't the sort of things you want to hear out of somebody who should be representing the entire country. My role as a voter is to pick the leader, due to our vote by party parliament, which I feel best represents what I desire out of the nation. I can't support a party who has a leader which disregards my area so blatantly.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Why do Conservative supporters act like they have been given an overwhelming mandate by all Canadians? They didn't even get to 40% of the popular vote. The majority they have is thin and will probably be gone by next election. If we had the two party system here in Canada they would never get to power, so be thankful the Liberals and NDP split enough votes for the CPC to get in.

Besides, is it really going to be that hard for anyone to drudge up inflammatory comments from any number of CPCers about Quebec or other parts of Canada? I'm pretty sure Slava posted more than a few in the Calgary Centre thread. The holier than thou attitude really gets annoying. Every side of the spectrum does it. Are his comments moronic? Sure, but again how hard will it be for anyone to find equally moronic comments from the other side?

What are you talking about?

This thread is about Justin Trudeau's attitude towards Alberta.

Enough with the sleight of hand/change the topic nonsense already.

It doesnt work.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Living in Saskatchewan I am ok with this. We are kind of like Canada to America, Saskatchewan to Alberta. We are your bitch, but in a good way that benefits us. You give us a place to go make an insane amount of money. You give us professional aports franchises to watch live, even one that is in the NHL. We have decent access to the mountains, but don't mind sharing our extensive lake system and great fishing with you.

Your cities have it all, and we come frequently to shop at your Ikea's, huge outlet Malls, theme parks and Chinook Centers.

You have cheap booze. Your booze is cheap, and hey there is even some lower priced booze in your province.

Over time as your oil begins to dry up, you will come and rape ours, and we will be ok with that because it will help boost our economy the same way it did yours.

Most importantly we give you a way to feel better about yourselves, saying "Haha well could be worse look at those stupid Saskatchewanites!" (sound familiar?) Meanwhile we smile and nod back at you while thinking thats right, stay over there... everything sucks here.. you got it waaaay better on that side.

Like I said, Canada to America. God bless Albertica.

Yeah, us Albertans may on occasion tease you Saskatchewanites but its really like one brother picking on another.... and in the end we still love you and consider the family better off because you're in it.

[Bertuzzied]

How can anyone fully trust a party that force feeds Rob Anders to Canada?

Hmmm pulling old quotes from the past... maybe i should post some of the stuff Anders used to say in University..... hhehehe

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

This thread is proving why this is an ineffective tactic for the CPC in Calgary Centre. The people showing the outrage are the same people who wouldn't vote for the Liberals even if they:

• Balanced the budget
• Provided a surplus
• Cut taxes for everyone
• Cured cancer
• Cured AIDS
• Ended famine
• Resurrected Jesus

So this accomplished literally nothing other than to enrage the people who look for every excuse to be enraged by the Liberals, or NDP, or any non-CPC party.

well i've stated on these forums that i really want to see the Liberals back in power at the federal level, and have said i could vote for Trudeau if he seems smart and capable enough as a leader. these comments show pretty clear that he isn't smart nor capable enough to be a national leader, so if he gets the leadership i guess i'll go another round of elections without bothering to vote

[Makarov]

No question that these were stupid comments by Trudeau. However, these sorts of comments are hardly uncommon. For example, courtesy of Prime Minister Harper:

— “I, too, am one of these angry westerners ... We may love Canada but Canada does not love us ... Let's make (Alberta) strong enough that the rest of the country is afraid to threaten us.” Report Newsmagazine, December 2000.

— “You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society.” Report Newsmagazine, January 2001.

— “As a religion, bilingualism is the god that failed. It has led to no fairness, produces no unity and cost Canadian taxpayers untold millions.” Calgary Sun, May 2001.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Thanks to Slava for these from the Calgary Centre Thread..

"atlantic Canada's culture of defeat will be hard to overcome" 29-May-2002

"We've had this Quebec separatist movement. For years we elected Quebec Prime Ministers...this has not worked" June 1997

"Canada is a northern European welfare state in the worst sense of the term and very proud of it" June 1997

"Ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who live in ghettoes...not integrated into western Canadian society"

Every quote from Harper.

Outrage? Nope, because he isn't slamming Alberta of course. If we did a poll of true CPC supporters, I would feel very confident in predicting at least 75% of them would like to kick Quebec out of Canada. So its ok for you to hate them, but not the other way around? More examples of politics becoming like sports, your "team" is never in the wrong and you must defend them no matter what.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by jammies

As I recall, the Reform party was founded ostensibly to wrest power from Central Canada and "give the West a voice". Now that its descendant has succeeded in this, it's hardly surprising that the East wants to regain its former pre-eminence, so these types of comments disturb me not at all, except being disturbing in that the candour seems out of place in politics, where everyone is expected to loudly deny what they are actually thinking.

Alberta and Quebec have vastly different political cultures. Naturally we assume that ours is superior. One way to prove it is to not react to quotes like these with the usual foaming-mouthed hysteria.

But I like it when my mouth foams.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

well i've stated on these forums that i really want to see the Liberals back in power at the federal level, and have said i could vote for Trudeau if he seems smart and capable enough as a leader. these comments show pretty clear that he isn't smart nor capable enough to be a national leader, so if he gets the leadership i guess i'll go another round of elections without bothering to vote

Thank you for your honesty and for being one of the few Liberals on here to admit that Justin Trudeau is a bit of an ass and can be on occasion dumber than a sack full of hammers.

Keeping that in mind, I would love to see him elected as leader of the Liberal party.

Now if I was a Liberal supporter, I'd be all over him and his comments like white on rice because I know there are better and more qualified leadership candidates than JT and he will only harm the Liberal struggle to once again govern this great country.... and even if by some chance he does gain power I suspect he will alienate the west again as it was in previous Liberal administrations.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by AR_Six

[/LIST] Apparently you're dead wrong, because if they did those things - the realistic ones - I would vote for them. I have no ingrained bias against voting Liberal, if anything my bias lies in favour. But none of that is terribly likely to happen and I just can't vote for them when they blatantly do not have any regard for the province I live in.

So did you vote for the Liberal Party during the Chretien/Martin years when they gave us balanced/surplus budgets while simultaneously lowering both personal and corporate taxes?

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

So did you vote for the Liberal Party during the Chretien/Martin years when they gave us balanced/surplus budgets while simultaneously lowering both personal and corporate taxes?

You know the answer to that question.

[FlamesAddiction]

Three things to looks at critically here:

1) It's the National Post. It has always leaned right.

2) The link above is an opinion piece not to be confused with news.

3) The "..." between phrases means that things were cut the quotes. Any time you see that, you need to take things with a grain of salt.


Personally, I think it is more beneficial for people to shut themselves off from the media before they make outright judgments. I remember reading an opinion piece from a left leaning source before that took quotes from Harper and snipped them to make it sound like he was a fascist.

[MarchHare]

With respect to the OP:

I've posted on this board many times before that I'm no fan of Trudeau and hope he doesn't win the Liberal leadership, but I'm not feeling the outrage about these comments that some of you are. Maybe I'm just reading more nuance there, but I interpret his remarks thusly:

- Amongst Canadians, Albertans are more conservative and Quebeckers are more liberal
- Since I'm a Liberal, I therefore prefer a PM from Quebec (even a Conservative like Mulroney), who will govern in a more left-wing fashion than a PM from Alberta

Despite being yet another example of his poor political instincts, I don't see anything particularly sinister about his comments. Harper & co. probably think the exact same thing but in reverse, and I don't see anything wrong with them having that attitude either.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Three things to looks at critically here:

1) It's the National Post. It has always leaned right.

2) The link above is an opinion piece not to be confused with news.

3) The "..." between phrases means that things were cut the quotes. Any time you see that, you need to take things with a grain of salt.


Personally, I think it is more beneficial for people to shut themselves off from the media before they make outright judgments. I remember reading an opinion piece from a left leaning source before that took quotes from Harper and snipped them to make it sound like he was a fascist.

It was lead story on CBC yesterday (left leaning)

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

So did you vote for the Liberal Party during the Chretien/Martin years when they gave us balanced/surplus budgets while simultaneously lowering both personal and corporate taxes?

i think Martin could have been one of our best prime ministers had he gotten a chance at real leadership. too bad his party had gotten so comfortable at the top that they started to abuse that power. if he somehow became the leader of the Liberals again i'd vote for him

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by FireFly

But I like it when my mouth foams.

Now there's a meatball if I've ever seen one.

[Cowboy89]

I'm pleased with the development of this thread. The Calgary-Centre by-election thread needed a release valve for all the partisan comments to go to.

[Tron_fdc]

Wait a sec, a politician said something and then changed his mind a few years later? Who does that???

/Strom Thurmond

[CaptainCrunch]

I didn't have use for his old man, he was arrogant, elitist and a pure political machine that not only disliked this province but outright hated it and decided to bring it to heel.

But at least he was smart enough to run a party and to an extent country albeit poorly.

His son is not the intellectual giant that his dad was, oh he thinks he is, but he's got all of his old mans arrogance and elitist leanings and visions of social construction.

Aand to me its irrelevant whether what he said was two years ago or 10 years ago, for the longest times the Liberals dug up everything that Harper said in his 20's and 30's to prove that there's a hidden agenda.

Now to be a smart arse, I'm now wondering if a Liberal government under Trudeau has a hidden agenda to remove Alberta MP's from parliment and rule us from Ottawa by proxy while putting us to work in their hypocrisy factory as slaves.