Trudeau: “Canada isn’t doing well right now because it’s Albertans who control...

[Slava]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yup...the words spoken are the words spoken.

But for Slava that doesnt matter...its all about what the other guys might have done.

I mean why discuss what actually happened in this instance when one can instead try and paint the right wingers with "what would they do/say"?....cause it would be worse for sure!

Its the ultimate deflect and ignore game plan....I suggest no one takes the bait.

Trudeau said what he said, and its pretty disturbing even if he was pandering to his base support in Quebec, as this guy has real aspirations to be in control of Alberta's future to a large degree while sitting in the HoC as PM....though i still believe thats a long shot at best.

Next up will be Mcguinty's words not mattering because Anders said a bunch of stupid things too!!

I'm happy to discuss the comments, so let's hear what makes them so egregious? He talks about the best PMs being from Quebec and includes Brian Mulroney...so ya, maybe he's wrong, but its his opinion.

[Resolute 14]

C'mon Slava. You and I both know that Trudeau is already the leader of the Liberal party. Their next gathering will be a coronation, not a convention. And you and I both know that the Liberals have long viewed Alberta as nothing more than land to be pillaged to fund their eastern ambitions. The fact that Trudeau was just playing up the same east vs. west politics in that interview two years ago shows that it is exactly what he will do in the future.

[GreenLantern]

Living in Saskatchewan I am ok with this. We are kind of like Canada to America, Saskatchewan to Alberta. We are your bitch, but in a good way that benefits us. You give us a place to go make an insane amount of money. You give us professional aports franchises to watch live, even one that is in the NHL. We have decent access to the mountains, but don't mind sharing our extensive lake system and great fishing with you.

Your cities have it all, and we come frequently to shop at your Ikea's, huge outlet Malls, theme parks and Chinook Centers.

You have cheap booze. Your booze is cheap, and hey there is even some lower priced booze in your province.

Over time as your oil begins to dry up, you will come and rape ours, and we will be ok with that because it will help boost our economy the same way it did yours.

Most importantly we give you a way to feel better about yourselves, saying "Haha well could be worse look at those stupid Saskatchewanites!" (sound familiar?) Meanwhile we smile and nod back at you while thinking thats right, stay over there... everything sucks here.. you got it waaaay better on that side.

Like I said, Canada to America. God bless Albertica.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Slava

I'm happy to discuss the comments, so let's hear what makes them so egregious? He talks about the best PMs being from Quebec and includes Brian Mulroney...so ya, maybe he's wrong, but its his opinion.

And his opinion as a possible PM of the, you know.... entire country including Alberta... is one that he obviously sees Alberta as some sort of tyrannical place that is oppressing Quebec both economically AND socially. I couldnt care less who thinks the best PMs are/were, its all about what he thinks about this province going forward.

Its freaking preposterous at best and a complete and utter fabrication at worst.

The Liberals are supposed to be some unifying force and its the Conservatives that supposedly are dividing the country...and he has the gall to spout that kind of rhetoric? Particularly when his father and mentor was a guy that actually did destroy this provinces economy?

Its a joke.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Living in Saskatchewan I am ok with this. We are kind of like Canada to America, Saskatchewan to Alberta. We are your bitch, but in a good way that benefits us. You give us a place to go make an insane amount of money. You give us professional aports franchises to watch live, even one that is in the NHL. We have decent access to the mountains, but don't mind sharing our extensive lake system and great fishing with you.

Your cities have it all, and we come frequently to shop at your Ikea's, huge outlet Malls, theme parks and Chinook Centers.

You have cheap booze. Your booze is cheap, and hey there is even some lower priced booze in your province.

Over time as your oil begins to dry up, you will come and rape ours, and we will be ok with that because it will help boost our economy the same way it did yours.

Most importantly we give you a way to feel better about yourselves, saying "Haha well could be worse look at those stupid Saskatchewanites!" (sound familiar?) Meanwhile we smile and nod back at you while thinking thats right, stay over there... everything sucks here.. you got it waaaay better on that side.

Like I said, Canada to America. God bless Albertica.

This makes no sense.

How could Alberta "rape" Saskatchewan? They cant.

The federal Liberals could though, we have precedent right here in AB to prove it.

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Living in Saskatchewan I am ok with this. We are kind of like Canada to America, Saskatchewan to Alberta. We are your bitch, but in a good way that benefits us. You give us a place to go make an insane amount of money. You give us professional aports franchises to watch live, even one that is in the NHL. We have decent access to the mountains, but don't mind sharing our extensive lake system and great fishing with you.

Your cities have it all, and we come frequently to shop at your Ikea's, huge outlet Malls, theme parks and Chinook Centers.

You have cheap booze. Your booze is cheap, and hey there is even some lower priced booze in your province.

Over time as your oil begins to dry up, you will come and rape ours, and we will be ok with that because it will help boost our economy the same way it did yours.

Most importantly we give you a way to feel better about yourselves, saying "Haha well could be worse look at those stupid Saskatchewanites!" (sound familiar?) Meanwhile we smile and nod back at you while thinking thats right, stay over there... everything sucks here.. you got it waaaay better on that side.

Like I said, Canada to America. God bless Albertica.

Quoted for awesomeness. Great rant.

[cDnStealth]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Living in Saskatchewan I am ok with this. We are kind of like Canada to America, Saskatchewan to Alberta. We are your bitch, but in a good way that benefits us. You give us a place to go make an insane amount of money. You give us professional aports franchises to watch live, even one that is in the NHL. We have decent access to the mountains, but don't mind sharing our extensive lake system and great fishing with you.

Your cities have it all, and we come frequently to shop at your Ikea's, huge outlet Malls, theme parks and Chinook Centers.

You have cheap booze. Your booze is cheap, and hey there is even some lower priced booze in your province.

Over time as your oil begins to dry up, you will come and rape ours, and we will be ok with that because it will help boost our economy the same way it did yours.

Most importantly we give you a way to feel better about yourselves, saying "Haha well could be worse look at those stupid Saskatchewanites!" (sound familiar?) Meanwhile we smile and nod back at you while thinking thats right, stay over there... everything sucks here.. you got it waaaay better on that side.

Like I said, Canada to America. God bless Albertica.

I'd sure as hell rather live in Saskatchewan then Manitoba.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by transplant99

This makes no sense.

How could Alberta "rape" Saskatchewan? They cant.

The federal Liberals could though, we have precedent right here in AB to prove it.

So what exactly is this precedent? You make a good case here and we can probably work on a campaign together.

[Senator Clay Davis]

This thread is proving why this is an ineffective tactic for the CPC in Calgary Centre. The people showing the outrage are the same people who wouldn't vote for the Liberals even if they:

• Balanced the budget
• Provided a surplus
• Cut taxes for everyone
• Cured cancer
• Cured AIDS
• Ended famine
• Resurrected Jesus

So this accomplished literally nothing other than to enrage the people who look for every excuse to be enraged by the Liberals, or NDP, or any non-CPC party.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

This thread is proving why this is an ineffective tactic for the CPC in Calgary Centre. The people showing the outrage are the same people who wouldn't vote for the Liberals even if they:

• Balanced the budget
• Provided a surplus
• Cut taxes for everyone
• Cured cancer
• Cured AIDS
• Ended famine
• Resurrected Jesus

So this accomplished literally nothing other than to enrage the people who look for every excuse to be enraged by the Liberals, or NDP, or any non-CPC party.

Well that's all fine and good. The problem is he said it though, and why would someone say that? What possible positive undertones can a statement like that have?

You can say what you want, but the fact of the matter is that the statement is a load of bull####, especially for someone with political aspirations.

[First Lady]

Interesting Justin has called a news conference.... to address comments perhaps?

http://twitter.com/SunNewsNetwork/st...94188013379584

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Slava

So what exactly is this precedent? You make a good case here and we can probably work on a campaign together.

Highly doubtful.

But the NEP (or whatever thinly veiled title he will give it)...and i dont know if you lived through it or not, but i did and will NEVER forget what it did to my friends and family....is as likely to be part of a Trudeau platform as anything else considering his disdain for the people of this province.

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by nik-

You can say what you want, but the fact of the matter is that the statement is a load of bull####, especially for someone with political aspirations.

Not just aspirations. He already in a MP and all but elected as the next Leader.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by nik-

Well that's all fine and good. The problem is he said it though, and why would someone say that? What possible positive undertones can a statement like that have?

You can say what you want, but the fact of the matter is that the statement is a load of bull####, especially for someone with political aspirations.

Why? Because a lot of the people he needs to appeal to (i.e. the political centre) would agree with him. The agenda imposed on Canada by Albertans (and it's not hard to figure out which Albertans they'd be) is one that a ton of people find problematic.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

This thread is proving why this is an ineffective tactic for the CPC in Calgary Centre. The people showing the outrage are the same people who wouldn't vote for the Liberals even if they:

• Balanced the budget
• Provided a surplus
• Cut taxes for everyone
• Cured cancer
• Cured AIDS
• Ended famine
• Resurrected Jesus

So this accomplished literally nothing other than to enrage the people who look for every excuse to be enraged by the Liberals, or NDP, or any non-CPC party.

liberal or not....YOU should be just as disturbed by those comments if you are a resident of this province.....no?

As for the rest of your hyperbole...again its just a deflection from what was said.....doesnt matter who is reacting to them.

[Flamenspiel]

Originally Posted by SebC

Why? Because a lot of the people he needs to appeal to (i.e. the political centre) would agree with him. The agenda imposed on Canada by Albertans (and it's not hard to figure out which Albertans they'd be) is one that a ton of people find problematic.

Well we are talking about a Calgary riding here so how you feel about your constituents is very relevant. The idea of a Calgarian voting for a party that feels that way is absurd and you might as well lay your butt in the air and say have at it!

[Senator Clay Davis]

Why do Conservative supporters act like they have been given an overwhelming mandate by all Canadians? They didn't even get to 40% of the popular vote. The majority they have is thin and will probably be gone by next election. If we had the two party system here in Canada they would never get to power, so be thankful the Liberals and NDP split enough votes for the CPC to get in.

Besides, is it really going to be that hard for anyone to drudge up inflammatory comments from any number of CPCers about Quebec or other parts of Canada? I'm pretty sure Slava posted more than a few in the Calgary Centre thread. The holier than thou attitude really gets annoying. Every side of the spectrum does it. Are his comments moronic? Sure, but again how hard will it be for anyone to find equally moronic comments from the other side?

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Flamenspiel

Well we are talking about a Calgary riding here so how you feel about your constituents is very relevant. The idea of a Calgarian voting for a party that feels that way is absurd and you might as well lay your butt in the air and say have at it!

As I mentioned in the other thread, it's entirely possible that electing Liberals (or at least showing it's a possibility) could change how the party views us. Chances our they'll be back in power someday regardless of how we vote, and when they are, it would be nice to have them on our side (or at least closer to it).

[AR_Six]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

This thread is proving why this is an ineffective tactic for the CPC in Calgary Centre. The people showing the outrage are the same people who wouldn't vote for the Liberals even if they:

• Balanced the budget
• Provided a surplus
• Cut taxes for everyone
• Cured cancer
• Cured AIDS
• Ended famine
• Resurrected Jesus

Apparently you're dead wrong, because if they did those things - the realistic ones - I would vote for them. I have no ingrained bias against voting Liberal, if anything my bias lies in favour. But none of that is terribly likely to happen and I just can't vote for them when they blatantly do not have any regard for the province I live in.

[jammies]

As I recall, the Reform party was founded ostensibly to wrest power from Central Canada and "give the West a voice". Now that its descendant has succeeded in this, it's hardly surprising that the East wants to regain its former pre-eminence, so these types of comments disturb me not at all, except being disturbing in that the candour seems out of place in politics, where everyone is expected to loudly deny what they are actually thinking.

Alberta and Quebec have vastly different political cultures. Naturally we assume that ours is superior. One way to prove it is to not react to quotes like these with the usual foaming-mouthed hysteria.