Do schools have right to discipline students for off campus activity?

[Nyah]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHowDoO'duya

No I am not fine with it. The parents should teach those children a lesson on proper manners and how to be social citizens of this world.

The principle should focus on providing an education environment and stop with their "god" complex.

If you have kids in school, you will know what I mean. Elementary school principles really do believe they know best.

How is it a "god" complex to discipline students who are sexually harassing teachers? Whether it's on Twitter or Facebook, it's still harassment of faculty members, therefore in my opinion, they're absolutely within their rights to discipline.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHowDoO'duya

Maybe OT now, but that's not the schools job. As a parent, I will take care of teaching my kids right, wrong and social expectations. I want the teachers to teach academics.

I am curious if the CBE has a published mandate stating otherwise?

You cannot teach them everything regarding social expectations, unless you literally hover over them every minute of their lives.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHowDoO'duya

Maybe OT now, but that's not the schools job. As a parent, I will take care of teaching my kids right, wrong and social expectations. I want the teachers to teach academics.

I am curious if the CBE has a published mandate stating otherwise?

Maybe its not the school's job to teach social standards and etiquette but it is their responsibility to protect their employees from harassment from the school's students or other staff members.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHowDoO'duya

Maybe OT now, but that's not the schools job. As a parent, I will take care of teaching my kids right, wrong and social expectations. I want the teachers to teach academics.

A bit further off topic, but I think the great the breadth of experience and learning my kids have the better. There is an old saying it takes a village to raise a child. Kids learn all the time, they take in things, good and bad. The more exposure they get the better, IMO.

[JohnnyHowDoO'duya]

All good points. Its one thing to participate in the raising of a child, commendable and respected.

Its another to dictate how to raise children.

While not neccesarily relevant to the OP, this is the direction many institutions from CBE to Calgary Minor Hockey and other organizations that seem to feel they know better how to raise and discipline children then the parents themselves.

Thanks for the discussion, I do see that the principle probably was within his good judgement to make the decision based on what we know of the story.

[ruddstud]

Since when do ALL students have parents? Have you heard of kids being TGO, or PG? Foster homes? Group homes? What is your definition of a parent? There are 1000 adults in Calgary's Court systems, are you expecting them to teach proper manners and how to be a social citizen from behind the glass?

Originally Posted by JohnnyHowDoO'duya

No I am not fine with it. The parents should teach those children a lesson on proper manners and how to be social citizens of this world.

The principle should focus on providing an education environment and stop with their "god" complex.

If you have kids in school, you will know what I mean. Elementary school principles really do believe they know best.

[JohnnyHowDoO'duya]

Originally Posted by ruddstud

Since when do ALL students have parents? Have you heard of kids being TGO, or PG? Foster homes? Group homes? What is your definition of a parent? There are 1000 adults in Calgary's Court systems, are you expecting them to teach proper manners and how to be a social citizen from behind the glass?

Fair enough but does that means all children get treated like their parents are derelect drug addicted criminals?

Do you have kids in the Calgary school system? I do, I have found the principles that I have dealt with to be arrogant and deem themselves to be better than "parents".

We are even categorized as something that principles have to deal with a as a job hazard.

Anyhow, off topic now. If I feel like ranting, I can find a RGMG thread.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHowDoO'duya

All good points. Its one thing to participate in the raising of a child, commendable and respected.

Its another to dictate how to raise children.

While not neccesarily relevant to the OP, this is the direction many institutions from CBE to Calgary Minor Hockey and other organizations that seem to feel they know better how to raise and discipline children then the parents themselves.

Thanks for the discussion, I do see that the principle probably was within his good judgement to make the decision based on what we know of the story.

I totally get your point, but as you know the news is littered with poor parenting decisions........

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHowDoO'duya

All good points. Its one thing to participate in the raising of a child, commendable and respected.

Its another to dictate how to raise children.

While not neccesarily relevant to the OP, this is the direction many institutions from CBE to Calgary Minor Hockey and other organizations that seem to feel they know better how to raise and discipline children then the parents themselves.

Thanks for the discussion, I do see that the principle probably was within his good judgement to make the decision based on what we know of the story.

Regretfully there are too many parents out there who fail completely, by way of neglect, when it comes to raising and disciplining their children.... unfortunately to the child's detriment.

[ruddstud]

I do have kids in the system and I also work in the system. I have seen many amazing administration in my day... I may disagree with what admin may say but have the courage to address them behind closed doors if I think my child has been harmed or wronged. Ive seen what AP's and Principals have had to deal with in a school of 700 + kids. Total respect for what they do and how they deal with it 99% of the time.
A little off topic..... but worth the rant....
YAY Principals!

[ruddstud]

You'd love and care for every kid if you knew their past... (my philosophy when I teach...)

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHowDoO'duya

Fair enough but does that means all children get treated like their parents are derelect drug addicted criminals?

Do you have kids in the Calgary school system? I do, I have found the principles that I have dealt with to be arrogant and deem themselves to be better than "parents".

We are even categorized as something that principles have to deal with a as a job hazard.

Anyhow, off topic now. If I feel like ranting, I can find a RGMG thread.

Because when it comes to educating children, they usually are. That doesn't mean there aren't bad ones, but people need to accept that education is a profession like any other and that people who are trained in it and experienced have a pretty good idea of what they're doing.

People tend to be hands off with most other things and are willing to trust trained professionals but when it comes to education everyone thinks they're an expert.

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHowDoO'duya

If the victim wants to take action through the legal process, go for it. But who does the principle think he is?

For starters, he's your pal...

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHowDoO'duya

Maybe OT now, but that's not the schools job. As a parent, I will take care of teaching my kids right, wrong and social expectations. I want the teachers to teach academics.

I am curious if the CBE has a published mandate stating otherwise?

In loco parentis - Schools have been acting in place of parents for decades if not centuries. I don't think their actions in suspending the students were uncalled for.

[JohnnyHowDoO'duya]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

For starters, he's your pal...

yikes, that's a joke I know but particularly close to home.

I remember when I was a troubled child of a single mom, I think it would have been grade 4. The school Principle offered to take me to his cabin for a ski trip, I suppose to help with the lack of a "father figure" in my life.

I didn't go, don't recall why.

Turns out he was arrested about 10-15 years ago for sexual abuse of students back in the 80's. Bullet dodged and not related to the OP but your joke brought it back.

[ma-skis.com]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHowDoO'duya

yikes, that's a joke I know but particularly close to home.

I remember when I was a troubled child of a single mom, I think it would have been grade 4. The school Principle offered to take me to his cabin for a ski trip, I suppose to help with the lack of a "father figure" in my life.

I didn't go, don't recall why.

Turns out he was arrested about 10-15 years ago for sexual abuse of students back in the 80's. Bullet dodged and not related to the OP but your joke brought it back.

I think he meant because principals are spelt with a princiPAL at the end... Maybe I'm wrong though

[JohnnyHowDoO'duya]

Originally Posted by ma-skis.com

I think he meant because principals are spelt with a princiPAL at the end... Maybe I'm wrong though

nice, I feel shame now.

ok, so is this thread dead yet?

Hitler.

/godwin

[flylock shox]

Yes, in this case, it would appear that your principal was not actually your pal.

That's a bit of a troll fail really.

[ma-skis.com]

Also, if the school is involved the kids will probably get off light, any other situation and we would have lawsuits going back and forth if offensive comments are made about individuals. Normal people don't put comments of sexual nature on public boards about people we know or work with.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHowDoO'duya

No I am not fine with it. The parents should teach those children a lesson on proper manners and how to be social citizens of this world.

The principle should focus on providing an education environment and stop with their "god" complex.

If you have kids in school, you will know what I mean. Elementary school principles really do believe they know best.

That's the idea of the suspension is it not?

Originally Posted by JohnnyHowDoO'duya

Maybe OT now, but that's not the schools job. As a parent, I will take care of teaching my kids right, wrong and social expectations. I want the teachers to teach academics.

I am curious if the CBE has a published mandate stating otherwise?

If all children came to school ready to learn and focused on the lessons all day long then they wouldn't have to deal with the other stuff. But because children are not learning robots, but you know...children, they need guidance. Also, some parents are bigger idiots than their children so you can't always pass the buck to them.