I don't think anyone can doubt Kroeger's success at exploiting the nature of most music fans. He's smart enough to realize generic, dumbed down rock will always sell if it has catchy hooks and melodies. So in that regard he deserves credit for understanding that most music fans are interested in hearing something comfortable rather than something challenging.
You're one of the cool people.
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Being remembered means people who weren't around for these artists' heydays will discover their music and enjoy it. People still get into bands like the Velvet Underground 40 years after they broke up despite the fact that their highest charting album was a #171.
Well then yes, Radiohead will be remembered.
My definition of remembered is what I said earlier. That in 20 years the song will come on at a bar and the kids of the day will still know the words. But, I guess that only works with whatever is played on pop radio.
This of course is part of the reason with why people hate Nickelback. Hating them is supposedly this "cool" thing to do, rather than hating them because their music lacks originality, or creativity, or heart, or diversity. Its because its "cool" to hate them. Nevermind that there are a stunning number of legitimate reasons for hating them. But when you come back with something to the effect of "Wow aren't you cool hipster", all it does is further encourage us to hate them.
The number one reason Nickelback is hated is because scores of more talented, original, creative, daring, unique and in general simply better acts get ignored or struggle to attain 1/100th of the popularity of a band who has basically calls their plays from the "Generic rock playbook". Its a jealously thing to a degree, and perhaps its unfair to single out Nickelback when there are other bands guilty of the same thing. But I, and many others too, simply think Nickelback are the poster child for this new type of "corporate rock", designed to put singles on the radio and asses in the seats for emotionless shows of explosions and not much else.
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My definition of remembered is what I said earlier. That in 20 years the song will come on at a bar and the kids of the day will still know the words. But, I guess that only works with whatever is played on pop radio.
Well that's always going to be more prevalent among artists that have big singles and it's going to bias towards simpler music. People can know the words to a song like Safety Dance 30 years later, but they're not going to dig into Men Without Hats' back catalog for interesting music. Stuff like that is really more a cultural artifact rather than something that people are going to continually discover and find meaning in.
Indeed. The more successful you are, the more hate flows.
Not entirely accuarte. The top 5 selling bands ever are: The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Queen, ABBA and Pink Floyd. I think its fair to say four of those bands are nearly universally reverred (and I personally think ABBA is a very good pop group), and what haters they have are a strikingly small minority. Popularity increases the chances you will have haters, not so much an assurance you will be hated. Combining mediocre music with popularity is what brings about hate.
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Cowperson is having some fun, and stirring the pot - "deal with it".
Wealth is just one measure of success, and not the main motivation for many artists. Sure, everyone would like to be rich, but artists will create, whether they get paid or not. Would Chad be doing this if he wasn't getting paid?
Being wealthy, does not always equate to being a genius. Many people are just in the right place, at the right time.
What is respect from pitchfork worth?
FYP?
Next to nothing, I'd say.
Music snobs here flood music threads with youtube clips 10x more pathetic than any generic song Chad has churned out.
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Interesting article by Chuck Klosterman on Grantland:
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It's hard to get inside the existential paradox of Kroeger's life on tour: Every day, he gives interviews to journalists and radio DJs who directly ask him why no one likes his band. Every night, he plays music to thousands of enraptured superfans, many of whom love him with a ferocity that's probably unhealthy. Every concert ends with a standing ovation; if he feels motivated, he spends the remainder of the night partying with forgettable strangers who will remember him for the rest of their lives. Eventually, Kroeger falls asleep. And then he wakes up in a beautiful hotel room, only to read new articles about how everyone in North America hates his band.
Big point here. Personally I've been finding the Nickleback hate more and more obnoxious over the years. I find it very similar to the guy at the party that needs to find several ways to drop the fact that he's straight into every conversation. The desire for people to let others know that they like a certain type of music bothers me.
Secondly, the argument against them gets weaker and weaker every year as we move away from a forced media stream and into a customized one. I used to hate bands I heard on the radio 5 times a day. Over the past 5 years I probably haven't listened to radio for more than 10 hours in total. In all honesty, I have heard 1 Bieber song in my life. The last Nickelback song I heard in its entirety was at the opening ceremonies of the Vancouver Olympics. It's just not hard to avoid music that isn't your thing.
I've said it before, but the whole hating Nickelback thing has gone more mainstream than the band themselves are at this point. Heck even middle of the road media has no problem flagging on em at this point.
But back to the core of this article, as one of the guys on x929 put it "If you've ever been to Hanna Alberta, you've got at least a little bit of respect for Nickelback" which is just so damn true.
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T... think Nickelback are the poster child for this new type of "corporate rock", designed to put singles on the radio and asses in the seats for emotionless shows of explosions and not much else.
Or maybe people enjoy their music because it sounds good?
If people are paying money to see them "en masse" its not because everyone is a hypnotized monkey.
It is because they enjoy the music and that's why it gets radio time.
Or maybe people enjoy their music because it sounds good?
If people are paying money to see them "en masse" its not because everyone is a hypnotized monkey.
It is because they enjoy the music and that's why it gets radio time.
They're not hypnotized, they just have bland taste. It's the same with most other media. American Idol, Survivor, CSI, etc. are the most popular TV shows, but that doesn't mean they're any good.
The number one reason Nickelback is hated is because scores of more talented, original, creative, daring, unique and in general simply better acts get ignored or struggle to attain 1/100th of the popularity of a band who has basically calls their plays from the "Generic rock playbook"
For example?
I'd like to be exposed to all of these hidden musical treasures (not being sarcastic).
Well give me some general bands you listen to and I'll post some videos. But if you like hip-hop and country and I recommend you a bunch of metal and alternative then that doesn't really help. But I can think of more than a few great bands I could post that are lesser known, or known but the depth of their work isn't explored greatly.
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How about just post the vids, never mind what I may or may not like in respect to genre. You say there are scores of more talented acts, should be easy.
